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more on more on Andrew Tobias on Flag Burning
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:04:25 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: L Jean Camp <ljeanc () gmail com> Date: June 29, 2006 6:45:43 AM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] more on more on Andrew Tobias on Flag Burning Reply-To: ljean () ljean com Political debates are about ideas; but also about the real lives of real people who could be affected. You forgot about them in your listing of things about which I might care. An important part about PASSING A LAW is that it implies it will be enforced against some unfortunate soul. Like laws against "drugs" and 'terror" the law is not against the idea of flag burning. It is against the act of a person who might burn or dishonor a flag. When such a law is passed this expands the power of the state to arrest, imprison or otherwise harm someone. You appear to be hoping that the law is pointless, it will alter nothing. Are you sure? That this law would never ever be used? I was once a foolish young student who might walk right into some such law. I care for those people who still are, or who might yet be. Why do you want to hurt them? Politics is above all about individuals, if we choose to help or harm ourselves and each other. My core obejction to both this law and the Bush Administration is the consistent investment in the sheer meanness, from the petty to the great. thanks, Jean On 6/28/06, David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
perhaps to the Bill of Rights and our freedom Begin forwarded message: From: "Munro, Neil" <NMunro () nationaljournal com> Date: June 28, 2006 4:55:53 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: RE: [IP] more on Andrew Tobias on Flag Burning Just a few minor questions; Given that complaints about the constitutionality of a properly accomplished constitutional amendment are logically ridiculous (Here's the short version; The constitution specifically allows the Senate to forward amendments to the states), then I'd like to ask;Is the dislike of a flag-burning amendment powered by opposition to the amendment's moral claim - that our personal freedom of expression shouldbe limited for the good of the collective?Is the dislike of the amendment powered by fear than any victory by the collective-faction will lead to more victories by that faction and thusresult in practical, tangible limits on our freedom of expression?Is the dislike of the amendment powered by a desire not to grant even asymbolic victory to another sector in society, in this case, to the socially conservative Republican voters? Neil -----Original Message----- From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:20 PM To: ip () v2 listbox com Subject: [IP] more on Andrew Tobias on Flag Burning sys something about our Senate Begin forwarded message: From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe () gabegold com> Date: June 28, 2006 12:25:33 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] Andrew Tobias on Flag Burning And this morning Sen. Orin Hatch was on NPR opining that yes indeed, passing a don't-burn-the-flag constitutional amendment *is* the most important thing for the senate to do right now. David Farber wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Ralph <rs () his com> > Date: June 28, 2006 6:46:50 AM EDT > To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net> > Subject: Andrew Tobias on Flag Burning > > http://www.andrewtobias.com/newcolumns/060628.html > > Flag Burning > Published on June 28, 2006 > > Oh, for crying out loud. > > The whole point of America is that you can burn the flag. Nothing > sums up her greatness so succinctly. And it is precisely this - > that in America you should be free to do any damn thing you please > so long as it does not impinge on the rights of others - that leads > most of us to abhor the idea of burning it in the first place. > > And one thing you should absolutely be free to do in America is > criticize your country and express outrage at its behavior - even > if you're wrong. We call that the Bill of Rights. --Gabriel Goldberg, Computers and Publishing, Inc. (703) 204-0433 3401 Silver Maple Place, Falls Church, VA 22042 gabe () gabegold com------------------------------------- You are subscribed as nmunro () nationaljournal com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/ ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as Jean_Camp () harvard edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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