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more on Subpoena for 1 million random web searches


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:57:00 -0500



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From: Jim McCoy <mccoy () mad-scientist com>
Date: January 20, 2006 4:24:24 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip () v2 listbox com
Subject: Re: [IP] more on Subpoena for 1 million random web searches


On Jan 20, 2006, Steven Hertzberg <stevenstevensteven () yahoo com> wrote:

I understand that the government requested random web search data from four companies, and that three have already provided the requested information. Did these other companies research the legal merits of the government's
request before complying, or did they simply acquiesce?

The other companies mentioned do have corporate counsels, so it is a rather bold insinuation to suggest that the others merely rolled over when asked. A more likely possibility is that they examined the request, found it to be a valid subpoena, asked around in the engineering group to make sure they could comply without subverting user privacy, and complied as they are legally required to do.

Are trade secrets really all they are trying to protect (the multi- stage filtering suggested in the additional request detailed in online copies of sworn statements made by the person doing the work for the government suggests this is not the case) or are they unable to comply with the request due to privacy issues. The google privacy policy directly states that they will sell aggregated non-personal information to third-parties, are they just trying to get the government to pay up like everyone else they sell info to? The Google privacy policy also suggests that they will provide the information (including detailed, privacy-compromising information it seems) to "satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request" in addition to TOS violations, security issues, and public safety. Is the subpoena not a legal process or enforceable governement request? Perhaps the "trade secret" that would be revealed is that Google doesn't disentangle the private information from the aggregated user requests.

If the latter, then should we not also be discussing corporate complicity and the merits of
continuing to utilize the services of these other three companies?

And if the former, perhaps what should be asked is why Google is unable to provide this information without revealing personal data about the users who sent in the requests.

Is their internal database unable to maintain any separation between the request that hits the google servers and detailed information about the user that sends the request? If they do not maintain a separate "opaque" database that would enable them to easily fulfill the warrant that was served then perhaps it is time to start asking serious questions about internal data security at Google. How well protected is this information? Is the next big "employee leaks confidential user information" story going to detail how some low- level employee shoulder-surfed his way to access he should not have had and resold the google user database? How deeply does the internal linking between request, transitory user info (ip address, time, etc.), and permanent cookie and/or financial information extend?

Jim


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