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From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:12:45 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [IP] Yahoo, AOL, Goodmail and IP Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:44:24 -0800 From: Cindy Cohn <cindy () eff org> To: Russell Nelson <nelson () crynwr com> CC: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>, "Danny O'Brien" <danny () eff org>, Ren Bucholz <Ren () eff org>, derek () eff org, Chris Palmer <chris () eff org> References: <43EA6390.6080202 () farber net> <17388.14324.307468.837082 () desk crynwr com> I wouldn't be so sure. I spent about several weeks last year trying to convince Microsoft that it was not a good idea for it to force Moveon.org to sign up for Bonded Sender. After Moveon's messages started bouncing, and they tried to get it addressed through the proper antispam channels, they received, repeatedly, the response that Microsoft wasn't going to fix it and that Moveon.org's only option if it wanted to be sure that its messages got through to Microsoft email customers was to sign up with Bonded Sender. Ultimately because Moveon.org is famous, and they know me, and I know Microsoft's lawyers, I was able to get them to back off. Bonded Sender is an especially bad idea for an organization that has enemies. Every time someone reports you as a spammer your bond gets debited and they have grossly insufficient processes to investigate and put the money back if you claim that it's politically motivated. So yes, if AOL or Yahoo tried the same trick on Dave, I would likely step in and help, and because Dave is famous and I know lawyers at AOL and Yahoo too, it would likely be the case that the threat would go away. But is that what we want the 'net to become? If you're famous and you have a lawyer friend who has lawyer friends, then you can get your messages through? What about the next IP? The next Politech? The next Moveon.org (or Eagle Forum or NRA newsletter or whatever--I've helped people from all across the political spectrum and will continue to do so). And how is Goodmail going to decide who has a nonprofit mailing list? Dave's not a registered nonprofit. There are likely thousands, if not millions of mailing lists like Dave's that I think should be protected. Is Goodmail going to keep a staff of people to research each "nonprofit mailing list" that asks for free permanent access? Cindy On Feb 9, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Russell Nelson wrote:
Cindy is trolling you, Dave. It's clearly in Goodmail Systems' interest to establish and protect their brand. One way they can do that is by giving permanent free access to non-profit mailing list senders. The more closely they can align their brand with "this is good mail", the more successful they will be. Trust me on this one; you'll never be asked to pay to send IP email. I'll publicly eat an entire 16oz fruitcake if I'm wrong. Dave Farber writes:I would not pay. I woud tell IPers to get another isp djf From: Cindy Cohn <cindy () eff org> You gonna pay? How much would it be per month for IP?-- --my blog is at blog.russnelson.com | A computer without Python is Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | like a CPU without memory: 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | it runs, but you can't do Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | anything useful with it.
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