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Update [Re: AOL blocking Gmail]
From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:55:19 -0700
-----Original Message----- From: Carl Hutzler [mailto:cdhutzler () aol com] Sent: Tue 4/25/2006 7:02 AM To: ip () v2 listbox com; David Farber Subject: Update [Re: [IP] AOL blocking Gmail] As promised, an update. Late last night around 11pm, we added into our whitelist a number of Gmail IP addresses for their outbound systems. Evidently gmail had sent us an email asking for more servers to be added to our whitelist for protection but had done so at 4:45pm yesterday. The request had not yet been processed. I esclaated internally and they got it done. So all is well now. So now we will have to see if gmail's outbound spam problem is high on their list to fix or whether they are more interested in adding capacity to accommodate the increase in outbound spam, umm mail ;-) Oh, and one other thing, all their spam is domainkeys signed. This emergency whitelisting combined with the fact that all their spam is signed is a little ironic if you have been following the dearaol.com debate. ;-) -Carl -- Carl Hutzler Director, Host Mail Development America Online cdhutzler () aol com 703.265.5521 work 703.915.6862 cell ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
--- Begin Message --- From: "Carl Hutzler" <cdhutzler () aol com>
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:04:50 -0700
I informed our AntiSpam/Postmaster operations team of the possible rate limits/delays to gmail mail inbound to AOL. I don't think this is a "clash of the titans". This kind of stuff happens all the time and is usually resolved quickly by the organizations involved. We have had spam problems over the years with much larger titans than gmail and all have been resolved quickly. And to be honest, AOL has not been perfect at all times either as we have occasionally had an outbound spam problem to other ISPs. Every ISP has the responsibility to police their own users to the best of their ability. And when issues arise, responsible ISPs communicate on the issue and do everything possible to restore legitimate email delivery as soon as possible. I will try and update the list as soon as I have further information if that is acceptable. (this is my first post, so I hope folks appreciate the email and I hope I have not broken any protocol) PS: I think gmail may have an issue of late as the only two spams I have received in my AOL account in the last week+ have been from gmail mail servers. Headers below (all 419 scams - one in english and the other in spanish) -Carl -- Carl Hutzler Director, Host Mail Development America Online cdhutzler () aol com 703.265.5521 work 703.915.6862 cell Return-Path: <jrossman1 () gmail com> Received: from rly-yi06.mx.aol.com (rly-yi06.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.134]) by air-yi04.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINYI42-7da4448b4e5213; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:33:23 -0400 Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.234]) by rly-yi06.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYI64-7da4448b4e5213; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:33:09 -0400 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e11so21868qbe for <cdhutzler () aol com>; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:33:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=LejfxPes4IKizTLpNmTUHlwwFPEacQoi1oXo8YmooH3SrppgEt3UzcAJ2NVyxPqITKqa8n4YEeIFgeqkl9rTC1v0r4++KZRsVrbJL8A8KMcZrvrJOh59Z7KU4oc11F0fPGfcrpRbojhb06nFJet83Qf/PrDCCfjN5W2bAnd3w4o= Received: by 10.70.99.4 with SMTP id w4mr2109177wxb; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.8 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6fa817cf0604210331u3054bc14i47eafa6860c8fab0 () mail gmail com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:31:09 -0700 From: "jane rossman" <jrossman1 () gmail com> To: secretariat () aitaiata org Subject: EMINENTLY CONFIDENTIAL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6822_24948594.1145615469007" X-AOL-IP: 72.14.204.234 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Return-Path: <tangoinmortal () gmail com> Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.205.135]) by air-yb01.mail.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINYB13-188444a53af2d; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:03:10 -0400 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB32-188444a53af2d; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:02:55 -0400 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h27so427167wxd for <cdhutzler () aol com>; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=VJwS8XCUyQwIvxKPRyEQL82yVeKLAApKzZsz/EZ3Ur49Pki8h/ZjkSnDJm1KUj2gzld9aNxT5oZzQbfiPMR+QOWnvB0VvDhuEYAdtk5Z/6kDMkwmGL0f0q72M4wa/+kY3VJu1Eq6CwYmQgdb6s7ElRcNypdGr+2gwQ6a0uSIRQk= Received: by 10.70.43.8 with SMTP id q8mr1752239wxq; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from morgansnuwusq1 ( [201.254.174.89]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i12sm1108809wxd.2006.04.22.09.02.38; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <049801c66626$295e15a0$6401a8c0@morgansnuwusq1> From: <tangoinmortal () gmail com> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Subject: JUBILACIONES Y AFIP Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:47:44 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0364_01C6660A.F32D5BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-AOL-IP: 66.249.82.203 dave () farber net wrote:Begin forwarded message: From: "Jim O'Donnell" <provost () georgetown edu> Date: April 24, 2006 5:05:08 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: AOL blocking Gmail Dave, just had a lively and interesting conversation with an AOL postmaster phone number. When they get reports from their users of spam from a given host, they start rate-limiting mail from that source. When a given source is huge, it's inevitable that there will be spam-marked mail from within that space, and even if it's just amateur users who mark as spam mail that comes to them that they don't want to see, whether it's spam or not: with two larger user bases, it can easily add up to a number of complaints that triggers aol's mechanism. So, net result, if you have a gmail account and try to write to aol.com addresses now, you will probably not get through immediately. You will probably get a message from google telling you that your message has been delayed and giving an aol postmaster address, http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421rlynw.html, that tells you that your site (i.e., Gmail) is being rate-limited and delayed inbound to aol. AOL's response to a complaint is to tell the Gmail user to tell Google that there's a problem. Clash of the titans? Jim O'Donnell ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as cdhutzler () aol com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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