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more on upon suspicion .. Verizon to Police Web Customers To Protect Disney From Piracy -- a response from Dan Bricklin
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:56:18 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Date: September 25, 2005 8:19:08 PM EDT To: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] upon suspicion .. Verizon to Police Web Customers To Protect Disney From Piracy -- a response from Dan Bricklin
Dave, If you want to use this remove my name please - I'm feeling a bit conspicuous.
Aside from all the other worms in this can, and it looks like a very large and crowded can, how on earth can this be enforced without blowing up in Disney or Verizon's face ?
A thought experiment if you will.Say I put up the following password protected zip files on my verizon "Personal Web space of 10 MB" as advertised at http://www22.verizon.com/about/community/tx/ technology/fios_fact.html
appropriated-disney/little-mermaid.zip appropriated-disney/sleeping-beauty.zip appropriated-disney/beauty-and-the-beast.zip appropriated-disney/3-pigs.zip appropriated-disney/Hunchback-of-Notre-Dame.zip appropriated-disney/Pinocchio.zip appropriated-disney/Cinderella.zip appropriated-disney/Snow-White-and-the-Seven-Dwarfs.zip appropriated-disney/20000-Leagues-Under-The-Sea.zip appropriated-disney/Aladdin.zip appropriated-disney/Rapunzel.zip appropriated-disney/Swiss-Family-Robinson.zip appropriated-disney/Treasure-Island.zip So now some questions What are Verizon or Disney going to do? Is there any reason to serve subpoenas or terminate service? If they do so inappropriately, can I sue Verizon or Disney?If Verizon or Disney open the files to see what they are, which turns out to be the public domain text and my copyrighted commentary about how Disney appropriated these public domain works for the Disney films, can I sue under the DMCA?
Would someone at Verizon or Disney go to jail like Dmitry Sklyarov did?If someone with a Verizon web page distributes my copyrighted photograph without my permission can I sue Verizon? If someone with a Verizon email account quotes my email in her email without my permission can I sue Verizon?
Is there anyone at Verizon who is smarter than a sack of wet hammers?Can Verizon's stockholders sue on the basis of verizon voluntarily giving up their common carrier status and opening themselves up to untold liability?
David Farber wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: Tim Onosko <onosko () gmail com> Date: September 25, 2005 9:51:53 AM EDT To: dave () farber netSubject: Re: [IP] Verizon to Police Web Customers To Protect Disney From Piracy -- a response from Dan BricklinReply-To: tim () onosko comHere is the actual text from Verizon's press release about their agreement with Disney. I don't know how much clearer this can be."Under the agreement, Verizon would forward and track notices to its subscribers allegedly engaged in the unauthorized distribution of Disney' s copyrighted works, without identifying the subscribers to Disney, and either provide subscriber identifying information pursuant to lawfully served subpoenas or terminate Verizon Internet service provided to subscribers who have infringed Disney copyrights and received multiple notices."http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/ story/09-21-2005/0004112313&EDATE=I think this makes it quite clear that Verizon will actively police its traffic for copyright violations, through whatever means it has, on Disney's behalf. And that, regardless of its past policy of resisting attempts to obtain subscriber information and identities via subpoena, this agreement changes that.This paragraph, as I read it, also says Verizon may terminate your service based on suspicion or allegation that you have infringed upon Disney's copyrights, not actual proof as determined by a third party such as a court of law. (How do you get your "member in good standing back, or your service restored?) Moreover, if Verizon does not monitor this traffic or continues to resist such subpoenas, it will not be in compliance with this agreement, and may lose the right to carry Disney's content on its fiber cable systems.I don't know how anyone can read this sideways, or think that this agreement is insignificant. In my opinion, it is quite significant and may stand a chance of becoming boilerplate in future agreements between carriers and content providers.------------------------------------- You are subscribed as hugh-list () thoughtballoon com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ipArchives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting- people/
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