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more on "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert says
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:54:42 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: h_bray () globe com Date: September 11, 2005 1:34:49 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] more on "War on Terra" saves few lives, expert saysI see this as an "apples and oranges" issue, combined with the difficulty
in deciding how best to fend off foreseeable catastrophes, when it's unclear how likely these catastrophes are.First, apples and oranges. I think I've explained this one. Wars aren't
just fought to prevent loss of life, but also loss of national power and liberty. It is highly unlikely that we would have faced invasion fromJapan if we'd let them have free rein in Asia; to avoid war, we could have
turned a blind eye. But the Roosevelt administration concluded that Japanese aggression posed a long-term threat to the power and national interests of the United States. So we began to resist, by doing such things as launching embargoes of critical exports to Japan, such as oil.The Japanese responded by attacking the US. Had we not interfered with the
Japanese, the attack on Pearl Harbor would never have happened. On theother hand, there's a good chance that most of Asia would now be under the dictatorial rule of Japanese imperialists. Was preventing this worth a war
that killed tens of millions of people? Go figure. You pays your money and you takes your choice. But studies like this one don't provide anyassistance in making that decision. It's counting apples and ignoring the
oranges. The study also suggests that money spent on fighting terrorism is spentinefficiently, because a terrorist attack is far less likely than, say, a
New Orleans levee breach. Well, maybe. But I write this on the fourth anniversary of an event so astonishing that nobody--except TomClancy--would have expected it until it happened. Since that time, we've
uncovered ample evidence that terrorists worldwide are doing everythingthey can to kill those of whom they disapprove, in as large numbers as they
can manage. The idea that, say, the spread of bird flu is a greaterhazard than an attack by Islamic fanatics armed with dirty bombs requires
us to assume that these fanatics are few and far between, and have noaccess to such deadly weapons. Such assumptions are plainly unjustified.
To be sure, the maniacs have not succeeded in the past four years in pulling off an attack of similar scale. But mightn't that be preciselybecause of the money and blood spent on fighting them off? Some say Iraq
is an irrelevant distraction; perhaps they're right. But then, perhaps they're wrong. Often, only time answers such questions.Example: Who knew at the time that Antietam would be the turning point of the Civil War? It was the bloodiest battle ever fought by Americans, and
the Union gained an incomplete victory. But it was victory enough for Lincoln to transform the nature of the war by issuing the EmancipationProclamation. That turned the American Civil War into a glorious crusade
against slavery--something it wasn't up to that point. And that ensured that the Brits, who'd been toying with embracing the Confederacy, wouldstay on the sidelines. And that, in turn, ensured that the Confederacy was
doomed. Even now, the slugging match at Tal Afar, with American and Iraqi troopsfighting side by side to clear out a nest of foreign-born terrorists, may be a turning point. Then agan, maybe not. That's the trouble with wars; apart from corpses, you never know what'll turn up. Just one more reason why clever cost-benefit analyses like the one from Emory U. tend to leave
me cold.PS: I've gained some insight on this in the past few months because of my subscription to the Live365 Internet radio service. There you can listen
to thousands of streamed audio channels, featuring every sort of programming. One of the channels features some of the most eye-opening stuff I've ever heard. It's called WW2--The Wireless War. Some cleverfellow has acquired about 60 hours of actual news and propaganda broadcasts
from the war, each featuring the date on which it aired. The stuffincludes William L Shirer broadcasting Hitler speeches from Berlin in the run up to the Munich conference; bulletins on Hitler's entry into Austria
and conquest of France, Pearl Harbor, of course. There's even enemy propaganda, like the amazing American-born British traitor Lord Haw Haw, with his sneering, contemptuous comments on British military defeats at places like Dunkirk. Why do I bring this up? Because I've listened, transfixed, to hours of this stuff. It puts history--not just WWII history, but history ingeneral--into a whole new perspective. What you hear are descriptions of
the most important events of the 20th century, described as they happened--by people who had no idea how it was all going to turn out.That's the key. All my life I've read WWII history, as written by people who knew the outcome of the struggle. It's utterly fascinating to hear it
from those who were living it, who didn't know what would happen next.I recommend the experience to you all, and everybody else, who thinks he or
she can foresee the value or the cost of conflict. Hiawatha Bray ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as lists-ip () insecure org To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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