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more on NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:37:49 -0500
Begin forwarded message: From: Rahul Tongia <tongia () andrew cmu edu> Date: November 2, 2005 4:22:18 PM EST To: dave () farber net, ip () v2 listbox comSubject: Re: [IP] more on NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge
My engineer brain is overwhelmed by my real-world brain. There are so many grey areas here in the rules...
1) Lawful depends on not absolute (federal/constitutional) laws but also on consumer laws, contracts *between* firms, etc. 2) What does that say about end-to-end encryption, just to pick one issue? 3) "do not harm the network?" Isn't that something subject that the network operator can arbitrarily decide. P2P (esp. torrents) cause a lot of traffic, ergo they harm the network. Heck, some networks are even built with specific traffic patterns in mind (linked to revenues!) so something that harms that design also harms their revenues, so it's definitely got to go! 4) What happens when we only have a few choices in the marketplace, as is increasingly happening? "Free choice" becomes less meaningful when we have an oligopoly emerge.
[this is only with NYC in mind, let alone developing countries... Rahul ************************************************************************ Rahul Tongia, Ph.D. Systems Scientist School of Computer Science (ISRI) / Dept. of Engineering & Public Policy Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 USA tel: 412-268-5619 fax: 412-268-2338 email: tongia () cmu edu--On Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:00 PM -0500 David Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: Keith Dawson <kadawson () mac com> Date: November 2, 2005 3:19:13 PM EST To: dana () nycwireless net Cc: dave () farber net Subject: Re: [IP] NYCwireless Network Neutrality Broadband Challenge Dana --Broadband Challenge: http://www.nycwireless.net/tiki-index.php? page=BroadbandChallangeThe four principles of Network Neutrality listed at this URL are: (1) consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice; (2) consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement; (3) consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network; and (4) consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers. You will not get a single one of the major broadband providers to sign up for this list. To the best of my knowledge, no major cable or DSL provider allows point (2); all expressly forbid end users (or "consumers" as they consider us) to run any kind of server. The only DSL provider I have heard of who explicitly allows customers to run servers, without buying a $200/mo. "business" access package, is Speakeasy.com. I hope they are among the first to publicly sign your principles. (Of course, all non-ILEC DSL suppliers such as Speakeasy are under a death sentence, after the FCC's recent ruling rolling back the DSL competition that was kicked off in the 1996 telecom reform act.) -- Keith Dawson ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as tongia () andrew cmu edu To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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