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Your people are growing increasingly worried about a 'police state.' For such an educated audience,
From: dave () farber net
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 13:36 -0400
___ Dave Farber +1 412 726 9889 ...... Forwarded Message ....... From: "Munro, Neil" <NMunro () nationaljournal com> To: dave () farber net Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:45:58 -0400 Subj: Your people are growing increasingly worried about a 'police state.' For such an educated audience, they seem to lack any sense of proportion, a sense of history or an awareness of human nature. It's not as if real police states don't exist still; One can fly to Cuba quite easily, or to Iran with some difficulty, or even defect to Saudi Arabia and North Korea. The intrusiveness of their governments, their indifference to public opinion, their brutality and ruthlessness, are the hallmarks of a real police state. In the US, we are merely enjoying growing inconvenience and annoyance amid the perpetual pull and push demanded by our simultaneous desires for personal autonomy and public safety. This balance will shift back and forth as the public and the elites argue over its costs and benefits. Of course there will be abuses; The right will complain about too-strict gun laws, property seizures and judicial-indifference to politics' property-grabs, while the left will complain about public stigma of new lifestyles, of legislative curbs on personal autonomy, and of expanded police-powers. But there is no chance that that we will have a police state, even if Bush is reelected into perpetuity. The claim is so ludicrous that it is not worth a counter, but parody. John Ashcroft thinks you are important enough for him to read your diary! The Christian Conservatives have hypnotized the Supreme Court! Tom Delay is asking you to buy a gun! The horror. Not just parody, but also contempt. Millions of people have died from police-states over the last 90 years. The communists killed roughly 95 million. The Nazi's destroyed another 50 million. The Japanese militarists destroyed at least 30 million. North Korea recently starved one million of its own people to death rather than admit internal failure. Arab autocracies - led by Saddam -- can surely claim to have killed a million or three. If you want proof, grab a spade and a plane ticket. And we claim we're living in a police state because of intrusive luggage searches? Popular anti-drug laws? A religious Attorney General? The embarrassment of discovering that a bureaucrat knows you read Noam Chomsky? That some tens of people will get jailed for terrorist-plots they did not join? Public safety will inevitably generate errors and burdens, some of which are avoidable, and all of which should be minimized. In some controversies, the ACLU will be correct. In others, the police and Ashcroft will have the public and the law on their side. But surely the many people who lived and died in real police-states should, would and do object to our wrapping ourselves in their terror and deaths for our own ends. Neil (speaking personally, of course) ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as interesting-people () lists elistx com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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