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IP: THREE more on Public anger on the rise over airport searches
From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:18:44 -0500
For the pile of new Ipers caused by the Wired article, I must repeat that I don't necessarily agree with all views I send out on IP. I try to expose Ipers to the high variety of world views especially on controversial subjects. Dave ------ Forwarded Message From: Nathan Cochrane <ncochrane () theage fairfax com au> Organization: The Age newspaper Reply-To: ncochrane () theage fairfax com au Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:05:53 +1100 To: farber () cis upenn edu Subject: Re: IP: Public anger on the rise over airport searches It's inevitable: the world's "greatest democracy" has turned overnight into a fascist state and the sorts of people who were screaming loudest for safety are the ones reaping the whirlwind. The terrorists won not when the towers collapsed, but when Americans' love of freedom imploded. ------ End of Forwarded Message å ------ Forwaårded Message From: gerry-faulhaber () mchsi com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:58:50 +0000 To: farber () cis upenn edu Subject: Re: IP: Public anger on the rise over airport searches About the Horrigan's 3-year-old; seems outrageous, but terrorists are not above hiding a weapon/bomb on a child. During the frantic evacuation of Saigon in 1975, soldiers were instructed to search every Vietnamese climbing into the helicopters. Upon direct orders from an officer, soldiers even looked into an infant's dirty diaper...and found a grenade. This is not to excuse groping, harassment, and the stupid stuff that seems to be occurring in airports these days. But it does say that children should not be beyond search, sad to say. I should add that I just did a trip from Philadelphia to Denver and return. The security checks were much more thorough and professional than 2 months ago; random searches were conducted pleasantly, with security personnel friendly and joking with the searched passengers, and the passengers responding similarly. There was no harassment; both passengers and security personnel knew what had to be done and got on with the job as painlessly as possible. I was expecting the worst at Philadelphia Airport, but it didn't happen. Perhaps I should count myself lucky. Gerald Faulhaber ------ End of Forwarded Message ------ Forwarded Message From: Mikki Barry <ooblick () ego org> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:08:03 -0500 To: <farber () cis upenn edu> Subject: Re: IP: more on Public anger on the rise over airport searches I'm sorry to say that you shouldn't expect a private pilot license to substantially change things. Currently, general aviation pilots are the latest scapegoats in a society that attempts to restrict the instrumentality of a crime rather than the crime itself. In this case, the instrumentality was too powerful (the airline industry) therefore they are going after those who have less money, organization, or ability to lobby. In Maryland, a group of legislators attempted to pass a bill that would have mandated full FBI background checks and fingerprinting for anyone receiving broadly defined "aviation instruction." The sponsor withdrew the bill when enough general aviation pilots wrote to complain, giving us one victory thusfar. Other states are right behind in attempting to further regulate this "dangerous industry." Three airports near Washington, DC including the oldest continually operating airport in the United States are closed to all but pilots who were based there prior to 9/11 who have gone through full background checks, fingerprinting, and special security briefings and procedures. No other pilots may visit these airports. While you study for your private pilot certificate, don't make the mistake of identifying yourself as a pilot in any way at a commercial airport or you may face further scrutiny than other passengers. One flight student who attempted to read his private pilot study guide on an aircraft was escorted off and back to the gate by the air marshal. Seems he had an accent. That plus a desire to be a pilot made him a "threat." The accent was Israeli, but that didn't dissuade the marshal. Federal officials have made statements that they wish to use the background check/fingerprinting as a template for all general aviation activities. There is currently a public comment period for objections to the current security plan in place at College Park, Potomac, and Hyde fields near Washington. The information can be found at http://dms.dot.gov./search/ The docket number is 11580. No other means of transportation has been subjected to the scrutiny that general aviation has since 9/11. No other population of American citizens has been subjected to these types of regulatory procedures to access their own property or public facilities since 9/11. And now, the vast majority of that population is no longer allowed to enjoy some of those public facilities for which we contribute tax dollars because of an unnamed perceived threat. ------ End of Forwarded Message
From an anonymous Iper
Dave, While I certainly won't be calling any radio stations to report on it, (and as a corollary I'd appreciate anonymity if you choose to relay this to IP) I thought I'd share a similar story regarding the fallibility of today's stringent security measures: I recently completed a wonderful 10 day trip to Malaysia, including Kuala Lumpur and a beautiful island up near the Thai border called Langkawi. In my carry-on backpack, I inadvertently brought a pocket knife that I had failed to remove from a prior, pre September 11 trip. Upon our arrival in Kuala Lumpur, I was shocked to find the pocket knife lying there at the bottom of the backpack, as it had passed undetected through security checkpoints in Oakland and LAX. Out of curiosity, I kept it and started a little research project to see how many times I could bring this thing through metal detectors. In the end, I got it through 7 security checkpoints, in 4 different airports and 3 different countries (Oakland, LAX x2, int'l & domestic, Kuala Lumpur x2, Langkawi and Taipei on the return connection)! Something is very amiss here. The knife was at the far bottom of a very full backpack. B.... For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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