Re: IP: Nationalism, sovereignty & the nation-state in cyberspace

[Dave Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>]

Under one form of goverment. The Swiss COnfderation is actually younger than the US Consitution

At 01:27 PM 6/19/99 -0400, Esther Dyson wrote:
> I thought that Switzerland (among others) was considerably older. Is there a
> missing qualifier?
>
> At 04:32 PM 17/06/99 -0400, Dave Farber wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:57:51 -0400
> > To: farber () cis upenn edu (David Farber)
> > From: "Richard J. Solomon" <rsolomon () dsl cis upenn edu>
> > Subject: nationalism, sovereignty & the nation-state in cyberspace
> >
> > as I have said before, the U.S. is the oldest nation on the planet, and it
> has a lot to do with the parallel developments of communications and the
> industrial revolution: 
> > "Nations are much younger than their official histories would have us
> believe. No nation in the modern, that is political, sense of the word
> existed before the ideological revolution that began in the 18th century and
> conferred political power on "the people". From that time on, the nation was
> conceived as a broad community united by a link different in nature both
> from allegiance to the same monarch and from membership of the same religion
> or social estate. The nation no longer derived from the ruler. It was
> henceforth independent of the contingencies of dynastic or military history.
> This powerfully subversive concept opened the way for entry into the age of
> democracy; but if it was to succeed, the future had to be justified in terms
> of loyalty to the past "
> > from a fascinating article at: 
> >
> > http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/en/1999/06/?c=05thiesse
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> >
>
>
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