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Re: A question for the list...
From: Kevin Reardon <Kevin.Reardon () oracle com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:15:03 -0700
Yes they are innocents. If you rent a house though an agency and they rent it to a crack dealer, and you live in another state, how do you know he is dealing crack? Are you guilty of allowing your premises to be used in an illegal manner? In situations like this, Meat Space uses a trusted third party to enforce the rules (police and the UN sometimes). Such a third party does not exist in Cyberspace, nor with the existing protocols could it without a restructure of OS's or the transport protocols. Automated alerts could become shrapnel in an attack. They could be spoofed, would be subjected to the same software issues any program has (bugs) and even a false alert could send an ISP to chasing its tail. ---K Mark Ng wrote:
Just 2 cents -Is this proposal a vaccine, or could it unleash such collateral damage as to make the Internet useless? Keep in mind that the "attackers" are more then likely compromised systems, and are thus "innocents." But isAre owners of long term compromised systems really "innocents"? If people have left systems compromised with worms that are attacking other networks and reports have been ignored for significant amounts of time, then surely the compromised party are guilty of negligence ? Personally, I think there are merits to some kind of "strikeback" system, but it has worse than dubious legality, and would definitely be abused (without a question). I think that ISP's need to make a more active role in this, and actively threaten to cut off customers whos compromised systems are attacking other networks on the internet. Perhaps rather than a strikeback system, something similar to ARIS could be used to send automated alerts to ISP's warning them that x number of their customers have the latest worm. In the event that ISP's are non-compliant, and don't deal with their infected customers, peering points could agree to enforce this upon ISP's. This is much preferable to doing things that may or may not be morally correct, but are a legal minefield. Thoughts ? Regards, Mark Ng (www.informationintelligence.net)
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