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Re: R: Re: Korea (was RE: ?)
From: k_liner () HOTMAIL COM (spookah .)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:24:23 PST
If you were to leave your front door open in a bad neighborhood on accident when you went to the store, and someone walked into your house and locked and closed the door for you. Would you consider them a criminal? Would you consider yourself violated? Or would you consider yourself a lucky guy that someone with good intentions noticed first? If my box was cracked and someone with good intentions noticed for me and secured my box, I would thank them and then continue on my own lookin further into the problem. You can say that guy is a criminal for walkin in your house when you left the door open, but personnaly, I would call him a nice guy. spookah Network Technician Linux Administrator
From: Jordan Ritter <jpr5 () BOS BINDVIEW COM> Reply-To: Jordan Ritter <jpr5 () BOS BINDVIEW COM> To: INCIDENTS () SECURITYFOCUS COM Subject: Re: R: Re: Korea (was RE: ?) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:30:02 -0500 On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, thomas lakofski wrote: # > I'm sure the CEO who dials up to the internet on his Windows 98 box, # > sharing his entire harddrive (including his quarterly and annual financial # > reports), ignorant of the possible transgressions, would disagree. # > # > Is it his fault? Yes. Does that make it okay? No. # # Sure. I'll leave my apartment door open in new york city, and put a sign # in the window indicating this fact. Yes, it's still illegal to take my # stuff. Will the police or insurance company sympathise? I doubt it. Sympathy isn't relevant, though liability probably is. In any case, the point I'm debating is whether or not it is "acceptable" in the legal sense to use someone's computer and services, unbeknownst to them, just because they are loaded and accessible to you. Do I care if the police sympathize with my ignorance? No, not really, my things were taken without my permission, and breaking and entering is a different crime from theft. All I should care about is with whom the liability lies, and the legality of the actions raised against me. Taking things from my apartment without my permission is illegal, whether you broke in or not. End of story. Jordan Ritter RAZOR Security BindView Corporation
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