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tunable honeynets and entrapment
From: "Randy" <randy.bachman () west-point org>
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 12:08:26 -0400
Has anyone worked with tunable honeynets or written about them? I am working a variant honeynet that actually catches the bad guys, not necessarily prosecutes them. Specifically I'm working on how to lure someone into a honeynet once he's gotten into your network...and looking for a term to call it..since it is way beyond high interactive... A valid entrapment defense has two related elements: (1) government inducement of the crime, and (2) the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct One way I'm looking at getting them into my honeynet is to use previously compromised boxes or images of boxes, backups of all my primary servers,... others thoughts? Also looking at how to get someone to want to break into a fully patches honeynet, but that's next week Randy http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00645.htm 648 Entrapment -- Outrageous Government Conduct While the essence of the entrapment defense is the defendant's lack of predisposition to commit the offense, the "defense" of outrageous government conduct presupposes predisposition but seeks dismissal of the indictment on the ground that the conduct of law enforcement agents was "so outrageous that due process principles would absolutely bar the government from invoking judicial process to obtain a conviction." United States v. Russell, 411 U.S. 423, 431-32 (1973). Thus, the outrageous government conduct defense is not really a defense at all. Rather, it is a claim that the institution of the prosecution suffers from a purely legal defect; as such, the claim is waived unless raised prior to trial under Fed. R. Crim. P. 12(b)(1) and (b)(2). See, e.g., United States v. Henderson-Durand, 985 F.2d 970, 973 & n. 5 (8th Cir.), cert. denied, 510 U.S. 856 (1993); United States v. Duncan, 896 F.2d 271, 274 (7th Cir. 1990); United States v. Nunez-Rios, 622 F.2d 1093, 1099 (2d Cir. 1980). The Supreme Court has never held that the government's mere use of undercover agents or informants, or the use of deception by them, gives rise to a due process violation, although in Russell it left open that possibility. The requisite level of outrageousness could be reached only where government conduct is so fundamentally unfair as to be "shocking to the universal sense of justice." Id. at 432. No court of appeals has held that a predisposed defendant may establish a due process violation simply because he purportedly was induced to commit the crime by an undercover agent or informant. See, e.g., United States v. Pedraza, 27 F.3d 1515, 1521 (10th Cir.) (not outrageous for government "to infiltrate an ongoing criminal enterprise, or to induce a defendant to repeat, continue, or even expand criminal activity."), cert. denied, 115 S. Ct. 347 (1994).
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- tunable honeynets and entrapment Randy (Apr 08)
- Re: tunable honeynets and entrapment Joachim Schipper (Apr 08)