Re: Profiling Hackers..

[Rick Deckard <nigel () 26354 net>]

Merith, 

Thanks for the wisdom.

> Who defines which person(s) is/are data security personel? How do you know
> that they will use the Information for good purposes? How do you know the
> data is valid? 

I thought about that myself. I guess it is up to the respective security
or forensic personnel to acquire this data for themselves. 

> If the government does not like you they manipulate the data
> and other people who use this data can then "confirm" this person is
> responsible. If i could turn time back i would offer you a life in good old
> DDR. Then you could see and life with the TIA from the STASI where some of
> your "friends" are actually just people spying on you. Do you think a life
> without trust even to your nearest friends is better? Dont trust blindly
> goverments. Just check the democracys from today... democracy lifes from
> critics ... best example is the US administration. Do they life with critics
> and act after the will of the people or do they hinder/supress it and doing
> stuff just a hand full of people are interested in?

Whoa .... :-)
 
> What do you have more, skilled people (hacker vs. cracker) [1] breaking in
> systems or skript kiddies breaking in systems with vulns just because the
> responsible admin was to lazy/dumb? Should not the people who are
> "responsible" for computer systems held resonsible for the things they are
> responsible for?  
> Please read: http://packetstormsecurity.nl/papers/contest/Mixter.txt ... its
> maybe a litte out of the scope from this discussion but there are some good
> points which cover this issue. 
>  

I agree. I think there are tons of script kiddies taking advantage of
poor administation skills. 

> [1] Please dont be a zombie of the all-mighty-brainwashing media and use the
> correct terms for communication.
>
> definition of hacker: http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/h/hacker.html
> definition of cracker: http://www.science.uva.nl/~mes/jargon/c/cracker.html

That issue...I agree with that at well. If I offended any anyone on the
list...I apologize. I have to admit, that most security professionals
don't always use the correct verbiage or vernacular.

When someone is attacked we often say "ZXYZYX was HACKED!". I don't hear
the word cracked unless it is a hacker trying to defend himself. 

--

Nigel Clarke
Blade Runner
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