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Re: no poison for Joplin
From: Mike Preston <mike () technomonk com>
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:45:23 +0100
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/06/11 08:15, Gadi Evron wrote:
On 6/1/11 10:04 AM, Gadi Evron wrote:On 6/1/11 7:02 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:(Which makes sense, really - prisons are for people who refuse to follow rules, and that's one of the big criteria for sociopathy). So when we say "spammers should be in jail", that's basically labeling them as sociopaths that need removing from society.In Criminology the term "sociopath" isn't used, the term "psychopath" is. To say Spammers which may be anywhere on the scale of "misguided" to "soulless criminal" are actually psychopaths is nothing but empty demagogy. So while it may be easy to use precise terminology - we should avoid it when we don't understand it. These things have definitions. Not every anti-social behaviour can be defined as an extreme one (read: personality disorder - still hate that term). The simplification on Wikipedia for this term is very poor indeed. This needs to be clearly defined by the DSM or ICD, and even then it's gray.One more thing, in order for the behaviour to be extreme enough to be considered even "just" a personality disorder, it needs to be pervasive. Meaning - in every walk of life. Toward the cashier at the store, their family and their boss. Not limited to one part of their lives. Such pervasiveness and extreme bahviour is not something which is easily seen.
I've not posted for a while, (I bet some of you thought I'd gone for good - well tough :P ) but 6 months ago I ended a relationship with a girl with a personality disorder. I agree with Gadi here, this isn't any of your normal behaviour, this is a pervasive issue that affects all parts of their life... right down to even sabotaging relationships. When we first met it took her a few weeks to tell me that she had an 'issue' without many further details and because I loved her I said I would stand by her, but it was so bad at times that it forced *me* into depression and I found that I am just not able to stand by her even if I wanted to. I am normally a fairly positive person and before this I thought I could cope with almost anything, but really without being there, you have no idea. I think the saddest thing about extreme behavior is that unless you live with them long term, you are unlikely to see the full extent of the problems. The doctors don't and so the fight goes on to try to find some meds that control her issues based on the limited information they have to go on. Mike
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder Gadi. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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