Re: big brother at school

[Blue Boar <BlueBoar () thievco com>]

Yes... really dumb people sometimes need very explicit boundaries.

                                        BB

Benjamin Brown wrote:
> For what it's worth some good may come out of this in the form of a
> positive precedent for other courts to draw upon.
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Dave Paris <dparis () w3works com
> <mailto:dparis () w3works com>> wrote:
>
>     ...or the boundlessness of sheer stupidity.
>
>     On 2/18/2010 11:29 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes wrote:
>     > Never underestimate the arrogance of power.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org
>     <mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org>
>     [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org
>     <mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org>]
>     > On Behalf Of Joel Esler
>     > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:56 PM
>     > To: Dan Kaminsky
>     > Cc: funsec; rMslade () shaw ca <mailto:rMslade () shaw ca>
>     > Subject: Re: [funsec] big brother at school
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > And this is why I am not a lawyer I guess, cause I'm with Dan.  I
>     can't
>     > think of any defense the lawyer would have.
>     >
>     > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dan Kaminsky<dan () doxpara com
>     <mailto:dan () doxpara com>>  wrote:
>     >
>     > "In loco parentis" tends to be pretty powerful, but you know what's
>     > even stronger?  Castle doctrine.  It wasn't just the kid that got
>     > violated, it wasn't even particularly the kid that got hit.  The
>     > school dropped a camera into the parent's home.
>     >
>     > "It's OK, I was just trying to secretly take pictures of your kid in
>     > his bedroom" isn't exactly the greatest defense the world has ever
>     > seen.
>     >
>     >
>     > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Brown<optikali () gmail com
>     <mailto:optikali () gmail com>>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >> Just something to chew on: A number of court decisions (press me
>     > harder and
>     >> I can search for the titles) rule in favor of the administration of
>     > public
>     >> schools in cases that would have otherwise been seen a pure violation
>     > of a
>     >> student's rights. These cases often invoke an argument of In loco
>     > parentis
>     >> for the administration. Though in every case I have read the rulings
>     >> concerned actions taken on school grounds or within close proximity.
>     > This
>     >> case involves school property (the laptop), but occurs at the
>     students
>     > home.
>     >> I am curious how this shakes out and what the court ruling (and
>     > inevitable
>     >> appeal ruling) will say.
>     >>
>     >> My 2 dinars  =)
>     >> -Ben
>     >>
>     >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon&
>     >> Hannah<rMslade () shaw ca <mailto:rMslade () shaw ca>>  wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> Date sent:              Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:28:13 -0600
>     >>> From:                   RandallM<randallm () fidmail com
>     <mailto:randallm () fidmail com>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html
>     >>>
>     >>> and
>     >>>
>     >>> http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/18/24789.htm
>     >>>
>     >>> "A federal class action claims a suburban school district has been
>     > spying
>     >>> on
>     >>> students and families through the "indiscriminant use of and ability
>     > to
>     >>> remotely
>     >>> activate the webcams incorporated into each laptop issued to
>     > students,"
>     >>> without
>     >>> the knowledge or consent of students or parents. The named
>     plaintiffs
>     > say
>     >>> they
>     >>> learned that Big Brother was in their home when an assistant
>     > principal
>     >>> told their
>     >>> son that the school district knew he `was engaged in improper
>     > behavior in
>     >>> his
>     >>> home, and cited as evidence a photograph from the webcam embedded in
>     > minor
>     >>> plaintiff's personal laptop issued by the school district.'"
>     >>>
>     >>> Always possible that the allegations are wrong or overstated,
>     but, on
>     > the
>     >>> face of it,
>     >>> sounds like this school district could be in very serious
>     trouble ...
>     >>>
>     >>> (Cue comments about protecting children, and being willing to
>     give up
>     >>> personal
>     >>> freedoms for a worthy cause, etc ... )
>     >>>
>     >>> ======================  (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)
>     >>> rslade () vcn bc ca <mailto:rslade () vcn bc ca>    
>     slade () victoria tc ca <mailto:slade () victoria tc ca>
>     > rslade () computercrime org <mailto:rslade () computercrime org>
>     >>> What you ... call a poor signal-to-noise ratio is the 'glue' that
>     >>> holds a community together, that lets us recognize one another as
>     >>> people rather than roles.                            - Anton Aylward
>     >>> victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm
>     <http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm>
>     > blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html
>     <http://blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html>
>     >>> http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/
>     >>> http://twitter.com/NoticeBored http://twitter.com/rslade
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