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Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups)
From: chris () blask org
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:07:16 -0700 (PDT)
--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org> wrote:
You're not getting it.
As far as dealing with pre-infected machines, a strong-auth that required the user to do something (like swipe a finger) prior to using email could stamp a message as being highly likely as having come from a human and therefore of higher priority than something that could have been produced by a robot. As it is, there is absolutely no reason to assume that a given email was produced by a human other than the fact that it survived whatever Bayesian/RBL/etc. filtering that stands in front of the intended inbox. Of course, none of that is going to happen, anyway, so it doesn't much matter. @Valdis, re. "tracting the intractable": I guess I could save "there is solving and then there is solving", and that by my own idea of a reasonable definition the "solution/s" to spam to date are too ugly to be accused of "solving" the problem. Maybe a tourniquet analogy might do - they've stopped the bleeding but we may just lose the limb if we don't come up with something better before long. For both of you, though, I am still so burned out from arguing spam solutions in previous years that I don't think I'll keep arguing them here much/any more (unless I start to lose my mind, in which case you shouldn't believe anything I say). I'd bet that little or nothing has changed in the world of spam five years from now regardless what any of us has to say. -chris _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups), (continued)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) der Mouse (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Larry Seltzer (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) G. D. Fuego (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene(was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 20)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Nick FitzGerald (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) chris (Oct 19)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcastpop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 17)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Michael Collins (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Rich Kulawiec (Oct 13)
- Re: Public Policy and Consumer ISP Hygiene (was Comcast pop-ups) Michael Collins (Oct 13)
- Re: dumb. Comcast pop-ups Toralv_Dirro (Oct 10)
- Re: dumb. Comcast pop-ups Jon Kibler (Oct 10)