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Re: CyberWar as Declaration of War
From: bob harley <bobb.harley () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:15:54 -0500
Marcus Ranum's "Cyberwar is Bullshit" gives a unique view of the Cyberwar idea: http://www.vimeo.com/3519680. He boils it down to those likely to use the attack vector in the cyber arena are the ones who are likely to win anyway, so what's the point. The cyber espionage facet is also on the table. Of course, the Chinese had some ill effects from a computer virus last year: http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2008/11/pla-armor-brigade-exercise-fails-due-to-computer-virus/ . On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:24:53 CST, RandallM said:when will this be recognized as such?Formal declarations of war are *soooo* 20th Century. Mostly because it's pretty damned obvious that there's a war on when 3 divisions of infantry and a division of heavy armored roll across the border. And if there *aren't* a few divisions crossing the border, a "Declaration of War" is only a "Declaration of Highly Miffed". You know what *else* besides "cyberwar" is random, disorganized, mostly opportunistic drive-by's of targets doing no *real* damage and nobody takes public responsibility for? Graffiti. When we see a cyber-based attack that does as much *actual damage* as a military invasion, then we'll talk. Even something Panama or Grenada sized: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada Till then, it's not cyber-war, it's cyber-graffiti. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: CyberWar as Declaration of War G. D. Fuego (Dec 18)
- Re: CyberWar as Declaration of War Imri Goldberg (Dec 18)
- Re: CyberWar as Declaration of War Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 18)
- Re: CyberWar as Declaration of War bob harley (Dec 19)