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Re: Presidential Internet Kill Switch


From: Jon Kibler <Jon.Kibler () aset com>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:16:57 -0400

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Dan Kaminsky wrote:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster () gmail com> wrote:
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Dan Kaminsky <dan () doxpara com> wrote:

I'm rather less concerned about 'presidential kill switch' and much
more concerned about 'security consulting illegal in undefined
contexts unless undefined certifications are maintained'.  What if it
was illegal to hire anyone who could actually find a problem?

Then the criminals (and terrorists and whomever) win.

Yes.  Those of us who have a problem with the criminals and terrorists
and whomever winning should probably stop worrying about some in
extremis provision that'll never be triggered and worry more about the
part where some certification authority can fire you.

<rant>
I don't have a problem with certification, per se. The problem I have is with
the specific certification most likely to be required: CISSP. The majority of
the CISSPs that I have had to interview for various IT Security jobs are totally
clueless -- especially if that is the only certification that they have. Let's
face it, CISSP should not be considered a security certification. Rather, it
should be considered a management certification -- something that says "I at
least understand all the security buzzwords, but I probably can't do anything
real in security."

IMHO, *any* certification that does not require a *hands-on* skills examination
(e.g., CCIE, RHCE, OSCP) is worthless, proving only that you are capable of
memorizing information. We have too many people in our industry today who have a
piece of paper that declares that they are an expert, but are totally incapable
of doing any real security work. (Just look at the number of companies selling a
Nessus or nmap scan as a "penetration test" -- "we are highly qualified, we are
CISSPs.")
</rant>

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