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Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:22:44 -0700
-----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of der Mouse Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:23 PM To: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] population controls and the Paul Holdren controversyA lot of the left have nasty skeletons in their closet, [...]So do a lot of just about every group of even remotely similar size.I've had discussions with environmentalists who told me with a straight face that the extra 4 Million deaths a year that are imputed as being due to banning DDT were a good thing, because they preferred birds to people.And what's wrong with that?
[TLB:] [TLB:] It's mass murder. Knowingly killing millions, and causing millions more children to be permanently brain damaged, due to an utterly preventable disease, Malaria, in order to perpetuate things that you like to see on nat-geo is the height of narcissism. That statement shows just how sociopathic/misanthropic the environmental movement has become. Just that you disagree? Certainly birds
have caused a lot less damage to non-bird life than humans have to non-human life;
[TLB:] [TLB:] WTF? How many billion insects do birds eat a year? Just because they're cute and you like them, doesn't make them any more moral than people in what they consume. Once you start with the "every form of life is equal" schtick, you quickly wind up with Algae, Zooplankton and bacteria as the most offended life on the planet. People at least are capable of moral judgment and conceptualization. Even the highest functioning animals exhibit no more sophisticated motivation than eat, sleep, procreate, protect (yes, I know that holds for many humans too, but there are a great many exceptions). There is only beauty in the world because humans perceive it so, or create art. Even Chimps haven't created a single cave painting. the only reason I can see for us to prefer people to
birds is that we're people. (Which, admittedly, is reason enough for lots of people.)
[TLB:] Governments derive their authority from the consent of the governed (at least under our system of government). You and the rest of the "deep ecology" nuts may feel this way, but I guarantee you that most of the electorate vote in favor of environmental legislation to create a safe environment for people, not for Gnatcatchers. If the enviros were honest, none of them would have any political power, so they lie, and then pervert the apparatus of government. That is what REALLY gets me going. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Gadi Evron (Jul 21)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Nick FitzGerald (Jul 21)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Gadi Evron (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Paul M. Moriarty (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Gadi Evron (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Gadi Evron (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy der Mouse (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy der Mouse (Jul 23)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Ron (Jul 23)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy der Mouse (Jul 23)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy chris (Jul 24)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy phester (Jul 24)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy der Mouse (Jul 24)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy Anton Chuvakin (Jul 23)
- Re: population controls and the Paul Holdren controversy chris (Jul 24)