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Re: Off Topic: Heads Up
From: "Kyle C. Quest" <kyle.c.quest () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:22:34 -0400
It's funny how you couldn't address any of the points I made and the positions I presented. If I was so wrong please feel free to support your claims and back it up with rational facts and logic. It's also funny that anybody would listen to something called "shadow CIA"... If the real CIA demonstrated a complete failure what can you expect from these guys. What exactly is this agency from Texas capable of? Do they have a huge network of agents throughout the world including high ranking officials in various countries? Do they have their own satellites that track military movements, etc? This was a long article where they were making a lot of claims and to address them will take a long time. I'll just pick a few: 1. "In spite of diminishing military options outside of the Middle East, the United States did not modify its policy in the former Soviet Union. It continued to aggressively attempt to influence countries in the region". This was an easy conclusion to make given all of our actions from the time USSR dissolved. What's sad is that we chose to continue the goals of the Cold War instead of trying to build true partnerships. We kept pushing and pushing breaking our promises and now we are simply getting a pushback and a signal to stop our attack. There's nobody, but us to blame for it. We went for a kill... instead of trying to be true partners. 2. "When the Orange Revolution came to Ukraine, the American and European impression was that this was a spontaneous democratic rising. The Russian perception was that it was a well-financed CIA operation to foment an anti-Russian and pro-American uprising in Ukraine." I wonder why they didn't say what that revolution really was. They just said... that Americans and Europeans thought... xyz. Curious to know their position on it. In the mean time here's a piece of information that actually came from the "ground". One of the key tools during the orange revolution was a big number of protesters in Kiev. Well, quite a few of those protesters were students, who ended up there because they were transported there for free... they were fed for free, and they were given money when they were there (in other words they got paid to be protesters). I know that because my wife was there when it was taking place. The question is where did the money come from? And when did an "event for hire" became a "spontaneous democratic rising"? Obviously, not everybody got paid and there were people there for their political believes, but moments like this make these events questionable. We are not told the complete story there. Another questionable thing is the naming convention... "orange revolution", "rose revolution"... what will the next "<color> revolution" be and where? Is this like a CVE number that you can just reserve or does somebody contact you at the right time with the revolution info package that includes titles, speeches, action plans, and color flags :-) On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Paul Ferguson <fergdawg () netzero net> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Kyle C. Quest <kyle.c.quest () gmail com> wrote:And so was the world population in the middle ages when they thought the world was flat. Nonetheless, they were completely wrong.Also, saying the same thing repeatedly does not make it so. Although I wanted to refrain from further engaging in this discussion (given the off-topic noise), I did want to provide you with some additional food for thought: http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/real_world_order I'd love to hear you thoughts on Stratfor's assessment. :-) - - ferg -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 (Build 3017) wj8DBQFIqlmKq1pz9mNUZTMRAinTAJ9B6JDHgoTIhRwQCt9gnOygjbwsxgCfeAca V9+AWIPZJq5r/UPdvZ9XHvk= =J2Qx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
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