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Re: The right to bear arms & make salad
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:13:41 -0700
Yes, but the US has not chosen to ban the automobile, or require governors on cars to force them to the speed limit. When a gun banner asks why I "need" a semi-automatic magazine fed weapon, I ask them why their limousine "liberal" arse "needs" a car that can exceed the legal speed limit (invariably, although lately they tend towards the Toyota "Pious", they have a BMW or some other such status symbol). Especially since the deaths due to car accidents are greater than those involving firearms, the victims far more often innocent, and speed is one of the major contributing factors. We don't ban cars because their utility exceeds their risks. We don't cripple horsepower, because sometimes you need to accelerate (onto the freeway), and people LIKE powerful, fast, cars (even the eco-freaks want a Tesla). Last, but by no means least, we don't ban guns because having them reduces crime, preserves liberty, and you haven't lived until you experience the joy of being a great shot, the surety that you can protect yourself when civil society breaks down (as I had when I lived in LA during the riots), or the visceral power of providing your own and family's food. In the same way, we don't say the government must have our encryption keys, because then the government would abuse it, or some petty bureaucrat would be bought off to give up keys that had far greater economic value than the payoff. There, we're back on topic.
-----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Richard M. Smith Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:20 PM To: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad Actually the U.S. government has been involved in car safety standards for 30+ years. During this time, automobile death rates have dropped substantially. U.S. government anti-smoking campaigns have also dropped smoking rates and smoking-related deaths substantially. Imagine flying on an airplane nowadays if smoking was still allowed. As far as fat people go, is your proposal that we stop eating? ;-) Richard -----Original Message----- From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:02 PM To: Richard M. Smith Cc: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:55:31 CDT, "Richard M. Smith" said:In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicidesin2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Ofthese, 10,654were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).How many people died in car crashes in 2004? How many people died from tobacco and alcohol related issues in 2004? How many people died from weight-related issues in 2004? If we're looking at banning stuff because people are dying, let's at least save more lives by banning cars, tobacco, alcohol, and fat people. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad William Lefkovics (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to arm bears & make verbiage Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Julio Canto (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Gadi Evron (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Julio Canto (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Gadi Evron (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Julio Canto (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Martin Tomasek (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Richard M. Smith (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to arm bears & eat salad Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to arm bears & eat salad Gadi Evron (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to arm bears & eat salad Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to arm bears & eat salad Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Tomas L. Byrnes (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Blanchard_Michael (Jul 23)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Alex Shipp (elist) (Jul 22)
- Re: The right to bear arms & make salad Imri Goldberg (Jul 22)