Re: The right to bear arms & make salad

["Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>]

More effectively than the one who picks up a meatcleaver in the UK.
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Drsolly
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:02 PM
> To: Richard M. Smith
> Cc: funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
>
> No wonder you want the right to bear arms, in the USA. How 
> else are you going to defend yourself from the family member 
> who loses their temper and picks up a handy gun?
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Richard M. Smith wrote:
>
> > The murder rate in the U.K. is about 5 times lower than the U.S.:
> >
> >  
> http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/us-and-uk-murder-rate-and
> > -weapo
> > n/
> >
> > In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported 
> incidents of 
> > murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) - a rate of about 
> 1.1 per 100,000.
> > In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 
> > homicides in
> > 2004 (FBI, 2006a) - a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of 
> these, 10,654 
> > were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
> >
> > The murder rate in the U.S. has dropped a good bit in the 
> '90s because 
> > we are putting more people in prison.  In fact, the U.S. has the 
> > largest prison population on the planet.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] 
> > On Behalf Of Tomas L. Byrnes
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:07 PM
> > To: Imri Goldberg; funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: Re: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
> >
> >  
> >
> > Since banning guns didn't stop the increase in violent crime, nor 
> > universal surveillance, more removing the rights of the law abiding 
> > must be the solution, right?
> >
> >  
> >
> > What happened to the fundamental principle in Common Law that no 
> > freeman may be debarred the use of arms?
> >
> >  
> >
> > The framers of the US Constitution could see the writing on 
> the wall 
> > after the Restoration, hence they made sure that our pre-existing 
> > rights were fully codified.
> >
> >  
> >
> > And don't tell me this isn't about security. Physical security, the 
> > right, which without the means is meaningless, to defend your life, 
> > liberty and property, is the basis of all other rights.
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] 
> > On Behalf Of Imri Goldberg
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 5:15 AM
> > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: [funsec] The right to bear arms & make salad
> >
> > For Brian Loe and Drsolly:
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7508404.stm
> >
> > "Most fatal stabbings involve a weapon that is easy to obtain and 
> > sharp with it - a kitchen knife. Would stopping the sale of long 
> > blades with sharp points help save lives?"
> >
> > I think it's even more funny when you consider the fact 
> that it's in the UK.
> > Cheers
> > Imri
> >
> > (hat tip to Alisa
> <http://alisainwonderland.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%A6%
> > D7%A8% 
> D7%95-%D7%90%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%9D-%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%99-%
> > D7%A8% D7%95%D7%A6%D7%94stop-the-world-i-want-to/>  for the link.)
>
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