Re: Never forget...

["Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>]

Dammit, an Englishman who will argue without talking down to his
opponent and actually attempts at persuasion rather than antagonism...
didn't know of such a thing! Want to give Solly and Nick manner
lessons?!

Back to the debate:

On 9/12/07, eliza <ghooti () googlemail com> wrote:

> I personally believe that you should look at the twin towers and not
> forget how important foreign policy is.

Meaning you believe we brought it on ourselves?

Muslims (as best I can tell) believe they should rule the world and
that we're all evil. I don't see our foreign policy having any effect
on that way of thinking and this country is to young to have helped
shape it. Osama's excuses are just that. People pretend that this is
somehow our first brush with a Muslim war, as a country. This isn't
true anymore that 9/11 was the first Muslim terrorist attack.

>  Or maybe not forget that you
> have been sponsoring the terrorism of the uk for over 18 years.

Here I will guess you're talking about US citizens sending money to
the IRA. That is a fact. It is also a fact that there are US citizens
sending money to each and every Muslim terrorist group operating in
the world today, essentially sponsoring terrorism of the US.


> Or
> possible not forget the corrupt politicians that have forced you into
> a war in a country that was *nothing* to do with the 11/9 attacks.

I don't mind that, as I've said before. I'm a war monger, I guess, and
I'm glad Saddam is gone. I'm hopeful Iran will be "liberated" soon as
well (though I'd prefer we just bomb the crap out of the leadership
and let the people do the rest - if they will).

> Or even do not forget the liberties that you used to have...? before
> the same corrupt politicians took them away in the name of terror.

I can't think of any liberties that I've lost.

> the current gun/knife laws that we have here in the uk.  I know it is
> a subject you are passionate about Brian so you should be able to see
> the cross over.

No argument there, so far as internal security goes. But I don't think
we would agree on the cause.


> (oh yeah, Brian, a new muslim country, how about kosovo? or
> Bosnia-Herzegovina? even though valdis was probably talking about the
> collapse of Iraq and its subsiquent rebuilding as being a new
> country.)

They're new Muslim countries - how? And how did the US create them?

Ironic that Valdis doesn't mention how Iraq came to be a country in
the first place...

> btw - Im white, english (currently living in brighton, uk), 30 and
> agnostic.  (for what it is worth)


Well, we shall never date, but I'd probably buy you a pint - so long
as this is an example of your natural demeanor in person as well.
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