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Re: The attacks on Estonia by Russians (or Russia?)


From: ge () linuxbox org
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:51:07 -0500

On Fri, Jun 01, 2007 at 04:54:32PM -0400, Larry Seltzer wrote:
Who's more posh, Clausewitz or Sun Tzu? I hear Rommel wrote a book too.

I haven't been able to locate it (yet).


Larry Seltzer
eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
http://security.eweek.com/
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Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
larryseltzer () ziffdavis com 

-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
On Behalf Of ge () linuxbox org
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:03 PM
To: funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: [funsec] The attacks on Estonia by Russians (or Russia?)

People have been wondering why I've been keeping quiet on this issue,
especially since I was right there helping out.

A lot of people had information to share and emotions to get out of the
way. Also, it was really not my place reply on this - with all the work
done by the Estonians, my contributions were secondary. Mr. Alexander
Harrowell discussed this with me off mailing lists, and our discussions
are public on his blog. Information from Bill Woodcock on NANOG was also
sound.

As to what actually happened over there, more information should become
available soon and I will send it here. I keep getting stuck when trying
to write the post-mortem and attack/defense analysis as I keep hitting a
stone wall I did not expect: strategy. Suggestions for the future is
also a part of that document, so I will speed it up with a more
down-to-Earth technical analysis (which is what I promised CERT-EE).

In the past I've been able to consider information warfare as a part of
a larger strategy, utilizing it as a weapon. I was able to think of
impact and tools, not to mention (mostly) disconnected attacks and
defenses.

I keep seeing strategy for the use IN information warfare battles as I
write this document on what happened in Estonia, and I believe I need
more time to explore this against my previous take on the issue, as well
as take a look at some classics such as Clausewitz, as posh as it may
sound.

Thanks,

      Gadi.
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