funsec mailing list archives
Re: Canadian revolution
From: der Mouse <mouse () rodents montreal qc ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
In the sense that religious people use the word, [faith] means belief in something with no actual evidence.I'd say, rather, no objective evidence. My own religious faith, for example, is based on and informed by ample evidence - but it's all entirely subjective, not anything I can demonstrate to anyone else.Right - your imaginary friend told you so.
Actually, no, not anything I was "told" by anyone, imaginary or not. Purely experiential and perceptual - totally subjective, but not anything for whicn any form of "tell" is appropriate.
Look - what you're calling "evidence" wouldn't be admissible in a scientific paper, wouldn't be admissible in a court of law, and would only be admissible in a church.
Don't you think that tells you something?
Yes, indeed it does. Let's take it a piece at a time.
wouldn't be admissible in a scientific paper
This tells me that you aren't keeping up with current scientific work. See the Science News of 2006-09-30, page 214ff, or presumably - I've not checked personally - the various publications it refers to.
wouldn't be admissible in a court of law
Even assuming you're correct (which I'm not convinced of but have no particular inclination to dispute), this tells me only that courts of law are for the most part not interested in matters of religious belief (they *are* interested in subjective evidence when it bears on the matter before the court; consider eyewitness testimony, or awards for "pain and suffering").
would only be admissible in a church.
It's not clear what you mean here; your "only" is ambiguously placed. Do you mean it's admissible only in a church (nowhere else), or only it (nothing else) is admissible in a church, or what? The former is falsified by all of the other contexts in which religion and religious experience is of interest, from informal conversations to the paper I referred to to other (non-church) religious institutions; the latter is falsified by many of the other things churches do pay attention to, from knowledge of ritual forms to assorted legal documents. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse () rodents montreal qc ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Current thread:
- Re: Canadian revolution, (continued)
- Re: Canadian revolution Brian Loe (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Drsolly (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution der Mouse (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Drsolly (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Brian Loe (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Drsolly (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Gadi Evron (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Drsolly (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Brian Loe (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution Drsolly (Oct 25)
- Re: Canadian revolution der Mouse (Oct 24)
- Re: Canadian revolution Nick FitzGerald (Oct 24)
- Re: Canadian revolution Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 24)
- RE: Canadian revolution Blanchard_Michael (Oct 24)
- RE: Canadian revolution Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Oct 24)
- Re: Canadian revolution Andrew (Oct 24)
- Re: Canadian revolution Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah (Oct 24)
- Re: Canadian revolution der Mouse (Oct 23)
- Re: Canadian revolution David Lodge (Oct 23)
- Re: Canadian revolution Dude VanWinkle (Oct 24)
- Re: Canadian revolution Drsolly (Oct 24)