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RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail
From: "Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:52:06 -0400
You need to judge Goodmail and AOL on their own merits. Here's a column I wrote on the subject in which I go into the qualifications issue: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1923022,00.asp. Don't trust the dearaol representations of the matter, they're full of lies. Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larryseltzer () ziffdavis com -----Original Message----- From: Andre Ludwig [mailto:andre.ludwig () gmail com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:33 AM To: Larry Seltzer Cc: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail ¿que? Dre On 4/14/06, Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
Well this is certainly full of crap. Didn't John Dillinger rob banks? How do we know that Goodmail won't rob banks too? Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larryseltzer () ziffdavis com -----Original Message----- From: Andre Ludwig [mailto:andre.ludwig () gmail com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:58 AM To: Larry Seltzer Cc: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: Re: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Werent there specific requirements to sign up to get an account at certain data clearing houses as well? http://www.google.com/search?q=choicepoint+fake+company&start=0&ie=utf -8&oe= utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Dre On 4/14/06, Larry Seltzer <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:You obviously haven't read how the system works. There are very specific requirements for qualifying for the certification. You can't just send in your check and get certified. Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larryseltzer () ziffdavis com -----Original Message----- From: Blanchard_Michael () emc com [mailto:Blanchard_Michael () emc com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:46 AM To: larry () larryseltzer com; fergdawg () netzero net; funsec () linuxbox org Subject: RE: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail but what if the consumer doesn't want ANY advertisement e-mail, even from those companies that have paid the toll to go through? Maybe that's why I don't have an AOL email address that I use :-) Hmmmm, if I was a spammer I'd be all for this system, heck I'd be very happy to pay AOL to allow my spam to go through onto AOL's email usersunfiltered.The few thousand that they charge is sure to be a drop in the bucket compared to the potential revenue.... Michael P. Blanchard Antivirus / Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 4400 Computer
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Westboro, MA 01580 -----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Larry Seltzer Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:37 PM To: 'Fergie'; funsec () linuxbox org Subject: RE: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Ironically, this is just more evidence of the value of Goodmail. False positives are inevitable in a mail system the size and complexity ofAOL's.Goodmail allows demonstrably reliable organizations to bypass the filtering operations which cause them. Larry Seltzer eWEEK.com Security Center Editor http://security.eweek.com/ http://blog.eweek.com/blogs/larry%5Fseltzer/ Contributing Editor, PC Magazine larryseltzer () ziffdavis com -----Original Message----- From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Fergie Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:48 PM To: funsec () linuxbox org Subject: [funsec] AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Via C|Net News. [snip] America Online on Thursday apparently began blocking subscribers from sending or receiving e-mail containing the Web address of a petition against the company's upcoming certified-mail program. The Internet service provider, which has roughly 20 million subscribers in the United States, began bouncing e-mail communications with the URL "Dearaol.com" sometime early Thursday, according to nonprofitMoveOn.org.A e-mail sent by CNET News.com to an AOL.com address and containing the URL "www.dearaol.com" bounced back on Thursday afternoon with a system administrator note that read: "The e-mail system was unable to deliver the message, but did not report a specific reason." Dearaol.com is a coalition of companies and individuals against AOL's adoption of GoodMail's CertifiedEmail, an antispam program that requires marketers to pay to ensure delivery of their e-mail messages and circumvent spam filters. The Web site contains an open letter and a petition that calls on people to protest what it calls an "e-mail tax" that would inhibit the Internet's inherent free flow of informationand create a two-tiered system.[snip] More: http://news.com.com/2100-1030_3-6061089.html - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg () netzero net or fergdawg () sbcglobal net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Dave Dennis (Apr 13)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Larry Seltzer (Apr 13)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Blanchard_Michael (Apr 14)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Larry Seltzer (Apr 14)
- Re: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Andre Ludwig (Apr 14)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Larry Seltzer (Apr 14)
- Re: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Andre Ludwig (Apr 14)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Larry Seltzer (Apr 14)
- Re: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 14)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Larry Seltzer (Apr 14)
- Re: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Andre Ludwig (Apr 14)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Larry Seltzer (Apr 14)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Blanchard_Michael (Apr 14)
- Re: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Matthew Murphy (Apr 14)
- RE: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail Larry Seltzer (Apr 14)
- Re: AOL Charged With Blocking Opponents' e-Mail John Levine (Apr 14)
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