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Re: Feds after Google data
From: Dude VanWinkle <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:56:21 -0500
On 1/19/06, Fergie <fergdawg () netzero net> wrote:
For what its worth: [snip] The specifics of the case are a bit worrisome, because the government is specifically asking for the data to try to prove that the Child Online Protection Act (COPA) is necessary.
Of course this COPA wont help the fact that a lot of sexual abuse of children is done by their friends and immediate or extended families. This also wont help stop child abuse. Just kids seeing pr0n. Then again, the measures proposed so far arent meant to try and stop the abuse of children, only people posting pictures on the internet. Seems a little misdirected to me, but at least their heart is in the right place. They are just too far removed from the problem to see what the problem actually is.
From : http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Q2a1VbNyIRMJ:www.siu.edu/departments/cola/psycho/journal/archives/vol1/laxton.html
"A second myth was that the offender is typically a stranger to his victim. Fourty-three (29%) of the offenders sampled selected victims with whom they had had no previous contact. By a wide margin, the majority of the offenders sampled (105 or 71%) selected victims whom they knew at least casually. In 20 (14%) of the cases, the offender was a member of the child victim's immediate family (i.e., father, brother, grandfather). Groth (1979) noted that when the offender is a family member there is less willingness to prosecute and so the data on the familiarity of victim and offender should be considered a conservative estimate." But I digress. Would it be a bad idea to have a TLD for "children"? Maybe a .kid? Then you could make that section of namespace as lame as you wanted. suggested requirements: Application for posting of content, periodic review of content, and banning Disney from the onset, would be just a few ideas that could be implemented :-) I would assume this has already been proposed, but not yet implemented? If all else fails: How much would it really hurt Google to move their operations out of the US all together? Demonoid did that, but I am not sure the (probably insane amount of overhead) costs that move would incur, nor how far Google is willing to go to protect our/its data. I hope Google realizes that when GWB wants something, he has already shown that he will do what he wants regardless of whether the Law is an impediment. He might get some backlash years later, if at all, but if he thinks he is "protecting the children" or "fighting terrorists", then Googles database he will have. Still, if companies started taking their business overseas, the loss of so many tax dollars might slow down bad legislation, or at least make US policy makers think twice before using technology to help legislate morals. Of course, banning free pr0n on the internet would be sure to force a regime change here @ home (from a mob of angry <18-34+ voting block>), so maybe this would be a good thing. ;-) Besides, wont the carnivore device they have on google's ISP already give them this info? -JP "Wont somebody please think of the children!" -Chester C.C.M. _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Feds after Google data Richard M. Smith (Jan 19)
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- RE: Feds after Google data Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) (Jan 19)
- RE: Feds after Google data Fergie (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Dude VanWinkle (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Fergie (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Drsolly (Jan 19)
- XXX tld? userfriendly's take [was: Feds after Google data] Gadi Evron (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Dude VanWinkle (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Dude VanWinkle (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Alex Shipp (elist) (Jan 20)
- Re: Feds after Google data Drsolly (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data Jim Murray (Jan 19)
- Re: Feds after Google data David Lodge (Jan 20)
- Re: Feds after Google data Dude VanWinkle (Jan 20)