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Re: Feds after Google data


From: Dude VanWinkle <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:56:21 -0500

On 1/19/06, Fergie <fergdawg () netzero net> wrote:
For what its worth:

[snip]

The specifics of the case are a bit worrisome, because the government is specifically
asking for the data to try to prove that the Child Online Protection Act (COPA) is
necessary.

Of course this COPA wont help the fact that a lot of sexual abuse of
children is done by their friends and immediate or extended families.
This also wont help stop child abuse. Just kids seeing pr0n. Then
again, the measures proposed so far arent meant to try and stop the
abuse of children, only people posting pictures on the internet. Seems
a little misdirected to me, but at least their heart is in the right
place. They are just too far removed from the problem to see what the
problem actually is.

From : 
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Q2a1VbNyIRMJ:www.siu.edu/departments/cola/psycho/journal/archives/vol1/laxton.html
"A second myth was that the offender is typically a stranger to his
victim. Fourty-three (29%) of the offenders sampled selected victims
with whom they had had no previous contact.  By a wide margin, the
majority of the offenders sampled (105 or 71%) selected victims whom
they knew at least casually. In 20 (14%) of the cases, the offender
was a member of the child victim's immediate family (i.e., father,
brother, grandfather). Groth (1979) noted that when the offender is a
family member there is less willingness to prosecute and so the data
on the familiarity of victim and offender should be considered a
conservative estimate."

But I digress. Would it be a bad idea to have a TLD for "children"?
Maybe a .kid? Then you could make that section of namespace as lame as
you wanted. suggested requirements: Application for posting of
content, periodic review of content, and banning Disney from the
onset, would be just a few ideas that could be implemented :-) I would
assume this has already been proposed, but not yet implemented?

If all else fails: How much would it really hurt Google to move their
operations out of the US all together? Demonoid did that, but I am not
sure the (probably insane amount of overhead) costs that move would
incur, nor how far Google is willing to go to protect our/its data.

I hope Google realizes that when GWB wants something, he has already
shown that he will do what he wants regardless of whether the Law is
an impediment. He might get some backlash years later, if at all, but
if he thinks he is "protecting the children" or "fighting terrorists",
then Googles database he will have.  Still, if companies started
taking their business overseas, the loss of so many tax dollars might
slow down bad legislation, or at least make US policy makers think
twice before using technology to help legislate morals.

Of course, banning free pr0n on the internet would be sure to force a
regime change here @ home (from a mob of angry <18-34+ voting block>),
so maybe this would be a good thing. ;-)

Besides, wont the carnivore device they have on google's ISP already
give them this info?

-JP
"Wont somebody please think of the children!"
-Chester C.C.M.

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