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Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far
From: Dude VanWinkle <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:36:29 +0200
Great article! I actually know something now! I am gonna go tell all me friends... both of them! (did you hear that X and T?) Actually when I installed my OS, I made myself click "I agree" on my own EULA; excerpt below: "All software installed on this machine will donate 50,000 USD to a single family of hurricaine katrina relief victims per process running. The applications installer will be responsible for automating the transfer of $50k in order to use cycles on this machine. Any application installed will signify their agreement my hooking system API calls in kernel mode (see rev 2.0 for 64 bit winsystems compliance)" heh, DMCA _can_ be used for good lol -JP "Thats what you get for listening to Country Music" -JP On 11/2/05, Nick FitzGerald <nick () virus-l demon co uk> wrote:
Jim Murray to Florian Weimer:The really interesting question is if you can legally publish software which removes such rootkits. Even detection is a tricky subject.Why not? If they can publish software that installs the stuff, why shouldn't someone publish software that uninstalls it?8-) Couldn't agree more...If their DRM scheme is properly constructed removing the DRM will prevent playback of the protected material, thus eliminating any claim that you're trying to bypass the DRM system. If that isn't the case it can't really be considered DRM and removing it shouldn't be an issue!Again, I agree. Of course, that is not how the DMCA is written. The DRM developer/ rights-holder/etc is not, under the DMCA, under any obligation to implement "good" or "sound" or "proper" DRM. They basically just have to do _something_ they claim protects their rights. It could be as trivial as XOR'ing the digital data stream with a fixed byte/word/dword and anyone who eye-balled the protected data and recognized the "obvious" pattern of the plaintext data with an XOR overlay would open themselves to prosecution (at least, if they ever uttered a description of this "protection").Any other interpretation seems to effectively give any 'rights holder' permission to install software on your system which you are then not permitted to remove - I'm no lawyer but I'd hope any sensible court would have sense enough to rule that unfairly biased and unenforceable. If we follow this path to it's ultimate conclusion - does re-installing an OS to remove such DRM systems become a crime too?Well, that almost is the extent to which the DMCA has provided protection as requested (demanded) by the RIAA, MPAA, etc lobbiests. Regards, Nick FitzGerald _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far, (continued)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Craig Webster (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Rob Thompson (Nov 01)
- RE: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Aditya Deshmukh (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Craig Webster (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Craig Webster (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Nick FitzGerald (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Nick FitzGerald (Nov 02)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Dude VanWinkle (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Drsolly (Nov 02)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Nick FitzGerald (Nov 01)
- Re[2]: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Pierre Vandevenne (Nov 01)
- Re: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 03)
- RE: Sony, Rootkits and Digital Rights Management Gone Too Far Larry Seltzer (Nov 01)