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Re: VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member

From: Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:19:31 -0500
On 9/29/2011 3:51 AM, Darren Martyn wrote:

Again, I hope this does not fail to send.
The reasoning behind the "Pure Elite" recruitment channel was A: to
recruit some talented people (and, by all accounts, there were some
talented programmers there) and B: development and idle talk. Now more
interesting was the reasoning behind the name - by putting the
developers and coders and potential recruits in a channel named "Pure
Elite", it was essentially an ego boost for the new guys, made them
feel valued, etc, when in fact most were but pawns to be used (IMHO).

This co-operation between VPN providers and LEO, while being nothing
new - remember how hushmail caved in - is indeed worrying for those of
us who are privacy advocates as well as security researchers.

On a more direct note, Laurelei, do not presume that you know all
there is to know about them. Doing so would be foolish. (Now don't go
assuming that I hate you, I bear you bugger all ill-will, etc).
Good day.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:44 AM, Laurelai Storm <laurelai () oneechan org
<mailto:laurelai () oneechan org>> wrote:

    Its all good dude. What really concerns me is that vpn providers
    might give over logs to oppressive regemes. TOR is starting to
    look better and better.

    On Sep 27, 2011 11:40 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd () gmail com
    <mailto:doomxd () gmail com>> wrote:
    > never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle
    pissed and
    > thinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time...
    > I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, and
    hopefully it
    > is just, cool.
    > :)
    > cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp
    > take care ,
    > xd
    >
    >
    > On 28 September 2011 14:32, Laurelai Storm
    <laurelai () oneechan org <mailto:laurelai () oneechan org>> wrote:
    >
    >> Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p
    >> On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd () gmail com
    <mailto:doomxd () gmail com>> wrote:
    >> > Hello Laurelai ,
    >> > Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I
    dont even know
    >> > where, legally, i stand anymore...
    >> > It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela.
    >> > I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is
    not just
    >> > happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and
    privacy, in my
    >> > channel on efnet, first as i saw it.
    >> >
    >> > Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a
    huge
    >> torrent
    >> > site, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but
    by the
    >> > frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely.
    >> >
    >> > This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is
    'anon' and what
    >> > isnt. and thats a bad thing for us all.
    >> > To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing
    places like
    >> > Sony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to
    politics, whom
    >> in
    >> > turn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i
    think this
    >> is
    >> > the dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or
    whoever was apart
    >> of
    >> > it, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs.
    >> > Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but
    not alone
    >> by
    >> > being in channels but that network, is one federal hideout
    now..and, that
    >> is
    >> > every channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module
    >> > m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had without
    realising,
    >> asked
    >> > a friend, to code for them.
    >> > This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the
    module running
    >> now.
    >> > So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode
    to it :s look
    >> at
    >> > what they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced
    drinemon and a
    >> > bunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked
    out with
    >> > words.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this
    is mutual
    >> > Laurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn,
    expect the
    >> same.
    >> > Respect for respect dear.
    >> > I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see,
    am not
    >> holding
    >> > 9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago,
    over one
    >> idiotic
    >> > kid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So,
    i want
    >> that,
    >> > to be laid rest now.. please.
    >> > And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will
    prevail and
    >> > hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some
    way, wether
    >> > that be by showing people email interaction with requester's
    of peoples
    >> > info, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard
    for VPN, I
    >> do
    >> > not use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactly
    >> that,without
    >> > political interaction and grey areas about who and what is
    now legal and
    >> not
    >> > legal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites.
    >> > ok, thats plenty, cheers!
    >> > xd
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org
    <mailto:laurelai () oneechan org>> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that
    crapy hma.
    >> >> On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l () gmail com
    <mailto:tyra3l () gmail com>> wrote:
    >> >> > yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;)
    >> >> >
    >> >> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD
    <doomxd () gmail com <mailto:doomxd () gmail com>> wrote:
    >> >> >> #pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P
    >> >> >> hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel
    thing... why
    >> do
    >> >> ppl
    >> >> >> tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not...
    >> >> >> ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks)
    >> >> >> xd
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn
    >> >> >> <d.martyn.fulldisclosure () gmail com
    <mailto:d.martyn.fulldisclosure () gmail com>> wrote:
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all...
    But seeing as
    >> it
    >> >> is
    >> >> >>> an international investigation many people have been
    bending over
    >> >> backwards
    >> >> >>> to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the
    VPN's of
    >> choice
    >> >> for
    >> >> >>> them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the
    #pure-elite channel
    >> on
    >> >> that
    >> >> >>> IRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as
    "Part of
    >> >> LulzSec".
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> TL;DR, this is nothing new.
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm <
    >> laurelai () oneechan org <mailto:laurelai () oneechan org>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >>> wrote:
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton"
    <noloader () gmail com <mailto:noloader () gmail com>>
    >> >> wrote:
    >> >> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan .
    <ivanhec () gmail com <mailto:ivanhec () gmail com>>
    >> wrote:
    >> >> >>>> >>
    >> >> >>>> >>
    >> >>
    >>
    http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html
    >> >> >>>> > Though HMA claims they complied with a court order,
    it looks as
    >> if
    >> >> >>>> > they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US
    and the FBI
    >> have
    >> >> no
    >> >> >>>> > jurisdiction in the UK.
    >> >> >>>> >
    >> >> >>>> > Jeff
    >> >> >>>> >
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    >> >> >From my understanding they used the channel as a possible
    recruitment
    >> >> ground, though only 6 people were officially a part of
    lulzsec , i find
    >> it
    >> >> disturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc
    channel
    >> tantamount
    >> >> to being a part of lulzsec.
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I don't assume i know everything about them, and I'm all for hearing
other points of view so i bear no ill will for your comments and im
happy to hear any insights people have on this matter :)  What I do know
however is Kayla's perspective of the situation as she told me and what
Ive gathered with public information. When i say the guy was never a
part of lulzsec i mean it in the respect that Kayla never considered him
a member, they didn't consider people in the pure elite channel to be
members and you are right that they were potential recruits but only 6
people were considered actual members of lulzsec and that's according to
Kayla, if she was telling me the truth and her information was accurate
then this person was never really a part of their group.

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