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Re: VPN provider helped track down alleged LulzSec member
From: GloW - XD <doomxd () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:29:22 +1000
Hello Laurelai , Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even know where, legally, i stand anymore... It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela. I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and privacy, in my channel on efnet, first as i saw it. Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a huge torrent site, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but by the frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely. This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is 'anon' and what isnt. and thats a bad thing for us all. To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing places like Sony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to politics, whom in turn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i think this is the dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or whoever was apart of it, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs. Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but not alone by being in channels but that network, is one federal hideout now..and, that is every channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had without realising, asked a friend, to code for them. This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the module running now. So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode to it :s look at what they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced drinemon and a bunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked out with words.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this is mutual Laurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn, expect the same. Respect for respect dear. I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see, am not holding 9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago, over one idiotic kid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So, i want that, to be laid rest now.. please. And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will prevail and hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some way, wether that be by showing people email interaction with requester's of peoples info, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard for VPN, I do not use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactly that,without political interaction and grey areas about who and what is now legal and not legal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites. ok, thats plenty, cheers! xd On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laurelai () oneechan org> wrote:
On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote: Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma. On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l () gmail com> wrote:yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;) On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD <doomxd () gmail com> wrote:#pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... why doppltag themselves as elite? usually when they are not... ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks) xd On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn <d.martyn.fulldisclosure () gmail com> wrote:Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... But seeing as itisan international investigation many people have been bending overbackwardsto assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN's of choiceforthem it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elite channel onthatIRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as "Part ofLulzSec".TL;DR, this is nothing new. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm <laurelai () oneechan orgwrote:And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader () gmail com>wrote:On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com> wrote:http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.htmlThough HMA claims they complied with a court order, it looks as if they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and the FBI havenojurisdiction in the UK. Jeff _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/-- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ From my understanding they used the channel as a possible recruitment ground, though only 6 people were officially a part of lulzsec , i find it disturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc channel tantamount to being a part of lulzsec. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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