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Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...
From: Ferenc Kovacs <tyra3l () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:57:08 +0200
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:53 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:35:16 CDT, adam said:"(Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge - happens so rarely that it's basically a hypothetical)." You do realize that (at least in the US) - contempt is *not* a criminal offense, don't you?tl;dr: Doesn't matter, you can end up in the slammer anyhow. Actually, the general rule is that if it's a civil proceeding it's only civil contempt. Refusing to comply with warrants or subpoenas pursuant to a criminal proceeding could very well get you criminal contempt. And even in civil proceedings the judge can stick you in jail till you decide to change your mind. And we're certainly discussing a criminal proceeding here. Journalist Judith Miller got to spend 4 months in jail for refusing to cooperate with a grand jury investigation. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Judith_Miller_(journalist)#Contempt_of_court And this dude spent 14 years in jail on a *civil* contempt charge: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/H._Beatty_Chadwick
http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2116048/Google-Forced-to-Release-WikiLeaks-Volunteers-Gmail-Info "Google and Sonic.net, a small Internet service provider, have been forced to hand a WikiLeaks volunteer’s email information to the U.S. government under a secret and controversial court order. The type of information released includes login IPs of the volunteer and those with whom he communicated by email, as well as their email addresses. Sonic fought the order, dated January 4, 2011, but lost. Chief executive Dane Jasper told the Wall Street Journal that although the legal battle was expensive, “... it was the right thing to do.” It is unclear whether Google fought the order or willingly complied." ... "The law under which this questionable seizure of private communications is permitted is called the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. It dates back to 1986, three years before the World Wide Web was born. Google and Microsoft are both members of a coalition fighting for reform, as this law allows law enforcement easier access to emails than postal mail. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has previously warned U.S. citizens that their Facebook, Yahoo, and Google account information is quite accessible to U.S. government officials. In fact, law enforcement officials don’t even need a search warrant to access private emails. While a search warrant would require they show probable cause that a crime has been committed, they must only demonstrate that they have “reasonable grounds” to believe the email records could be “relevant and material” to an investigation under the ECPA. Another controversial element of this type of email seizure is that the person isn’t notified that their email has been searched. Google and Sonic both lobbied, in this case, to be allowed to notify Appelbaum of the seizure. Under the 1986 law, however, they are prohibited from doing so. This type of court order is usually sealed." -- Ferenc Kovács @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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