Re: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

["McGhee, Eddie" <Eddie.McGhee () ncr com>]

Give yourself a break, schizoid. 

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From: intel unit [mailto:n3td4v () hush ai] 
Sent: 01 March 2010 14:53
To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk; McGhee, Eddie
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

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back off kid

"n3td3v" is trying to save lives here

yahoo messenger has 0days. now if gadi evron and the mossad were to get onto that, it wouldn't be a good thing, now 
would it?

On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:53:53 +0000 "McGhee, Eddie"
<Eddie.McGhee () ncr com> wrote:
> Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security 
> threats are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the 
> bullshit of making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all it 
> is..
>
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> From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full- 
> disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of intel unit
> Sent: 01 March 2010 08:06
> To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
> Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole
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> John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring n3td3v's 
> 0days and commenting.
> Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech who 
> knows Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly samwich 
> amirite?
>
>
> Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk?
>
> We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although there 
> have been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us.
>
> For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to ask, 
> is banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability?
>
> Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to the 
> public for over a year now.
>
> We don't have anywhere we can post information.
>
> Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security & intelligence 
> groups in the UK from posting?
>
> We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where there are 
> plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list, but no actual 
> intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been researching or 
> anything like that.
>
> A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security professionals 
> in jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v group, banned from 
> making announcements relating to national security matters.
>
> A whole year of no information getting out to the security industry 
> about the vulnerabilities in national security and other research that 
> we've been getting upto.
>
> None of that has been post, its all been supressed.
>
> By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the largest 
> security groups in the United Kingdom.
>
> We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the wrong, 
> we only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group from people 
> who were obviously wanting an argument.
>
> We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious about 
> security & intelligence.
>
> We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to be 
> treated like that.
>
> It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a risk to 
> national security.
>
> Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on the 
> mailing list.
>
> And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an 
> organisation as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list, its a 
> risk to national security.
>
> We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the mailing 
> list we've been banned from, and we don't give out any signals 
> intelligence about what we are getting upto, we're very careful about 
> that.
>
> The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and 
> intelligence group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing list 
> and reading our emails.
>
> Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000 and 
> more researchers, security consultants and many others.
>
> Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national security 
> issue? Of course it is.
>
> National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain at 
> risk... because the information flow has been cut off.
>
> Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man will 
> need to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright.
>
> He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on 
> purpose, I don't think he cares about national security.
>
> Can he live with himself?
>
> We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year, we've 
> held security conferences with our members and other stuff and remain 
> frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating with the security 
> industry.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> n3td3v security
> & intelligence group
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