Re: adobe.com important subdomain SQL injection again!

[Victor Rigo <victor_rigo () yahoo com>]

Concurred. No file format is as obnoxious as SWF.

However, with the debut of HTML 5, we're finding that video is being offloaded to <video> and open codecs are being 
integrated into browsers. Further, HTML 5's media capabilities are making flash cumbersome.

Try disabling flash extension on Firefox and enjoy real internet.

Victor Rigo, CISSP

Independent Computer Security Consultant

Buenos Aires, AR

+5411-4316-1901

--- On Sun, 12/19/10, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com> wrote:

From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] adobe.com important subdomain SQL injection again!
To: "Marsh Ray" <marsh () extendedsubset com>
Cc: "Victor Rigo" <victor_rigo () yahoo com>, full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Date: Sunday, December 19, 2010, 9:25 PM

"Personally, I kind of like Flash. It gives me a single kill switch for

90% of the useless blinking crap and popups on the internet. Flash is a

really appropriate name for exactly what I don't want to see on a web

page. I hope it remains the platform of choice for those who develop

such things." - Marsh Ray

I'll keep using that quote till I die...




On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Marsh Ray <marsh () extendedsubset com> wrote:

On 12/18/2010 05:30 PM, Victor Rigo wrote:

> Let's see, flash is:

>

> - Cross-platform

> - Cross-architecture

> - Has it's own programming language

> - Is embedded on websites

> - Access to javascript to popup, local caches, etc.



Not on my machine?



> It's not ineptness, it's what you get when you right software that can

> actually do stuff.



Adobe comes from a time when you could write PC software without caring

about security. Yeah, it was a heck of a lot easier to write just about

anything back then because it was well and proper that anything could do

anything.



Nowdays, the first questions after "hey our software could do this" must

be "but should it do that? What else could someone leverage that new

capability to do? How does it combine with every other feature in our

app or even on the whole platform? What if somebody does it repeatedly

in a tight loop? With pathological inputs?" and so on. These questions

take a long time to answer.



So if a vendor is known for "letting app developers do more stuff" and

not also known for "letting users control what stuff gets done on their

own machines" then they are laggards, not leaders, in my view.



> If Java applets were still the hip thing, you'd see the same thing about

> that.



There's undoubtedly some truth to that. But at the same time, it doesn't

seem like a useful line of reasoning:



* It's still not an argument for using Flash.



* That Java plugins have had chronic security bugs doesn't mean that

Flash doesn't suck too.



* You seem to imply that you don't think that Adobe is likely to secure

Flash any time soon. You're not saying "Adobe will secure Flash in the

next patch and then it will be great." But you listed all the great

stuff it does, so I have to think you would have said something like

that if you believed it. You may be making Flash look worse than it is.



* It's basically an "appeal to futility" argument: no one could make a

development platform and browser plugin that is significantly more

secure (or does a better job of managing the security vs. "doing stuff"

trade off) so therefore we should accept the status quo. That's why it's

not useful: it gives no guidance on directions in which to improve.



Personally, I kind of like Flash. It gives me a single kill switch for

90% of the useless blinking crap and popups on the internet. Flash is a

really appropriate name for exactly what I don't want to see on a web

page. I hope it remains the platform of choice for those who develop

such things.



- Marsh



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