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Re: Nipper licensing


From: Fizz <fizz () titania co uk>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:06:05 +0100

No, since the Nipper 0.11.x release series Nipper has included commercial use 
clauses in its license.

On Wednesday 02 September 2009 12:32:46 dpcybuck () gmail com wrote:
Um...so what I think I am hearing is that all versions less than 1.0,
including 0.12.6 are not commercial, right?


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-----Original Message-----
From: Fizz <fizz () titania co uk>

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:16:31
To: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Nipper licensing


It has cost me a *LOT* of money to develop Nipper. Network devices are very
expensive as I am sure everyone knows. It also took me a *LOT* of time to
develop Nipper. It is also true that a lot of companies use Nipper to to
make money, such as auditing companies and internal IT departments.

During that time only 1 person has ever seen the need to donate to the
project, even though it makes money for a *LOT* of businesses.

Nipper has had commercial licensing exclusions for a little while now.
Version 1 is now released as a full commercial version. This means that
companies who benefit from using Nipper will now have to pay a licence fee.
This fee will enable the purchase of more expensive network devices and
further improve Nipper.

NOTE: Home users will be able to continue to use Nipper for free.

Nipper is a complex program that supports almost 30 devices in its present
release. Nipper 1 has almost twice the number of code lines from the
previous version and over triple that of the one before. It is not a simple
grep of a configuration file and it audits a huge number of different
settings and protocols.

Ian Ventura-Whiting

On Wednesday 02 September 2009 10:48:42 Eric Sesterhenn wrote:
* BMF (badmotherfsckr () gmail com) wrote:
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Alan Buxey <A.L.M.Buxey () lboro ac uk>

wrote:
ouch. a couple of years ago we had some home-brew code doing the job.
Nipper
came along...was free..and did everything we did + a little more.

but now it looks like we'll be picking up our old Perl code and
fixing it up
to do everything that Nipper does - and a little more.

Was Nipper not available as source and licensed so it could be forked
in an event such as this? If not, consider it an object lesson in free
as in beer vs free as in speech.

LICENSE file for nipper-cli 0.12.0 and libnipper 0.12.6 states:

THIS IS IMPORTANT:

libNipper and all other Nipper products are licensed under the GPL
version 3 with the following exceptions.

1. The code cannot be used as part of a commercial product. A commercial
   license can be arranged for the integration of Nipper with a
commercial product. Contact fizz () titania co uk for commercial licensing
information.

2. Any code that integrates Nipper MUST display the following copyright
   information with the programs own copyright information:

   Nipper Copyright (C) 2006 - 2008 by Ian Ventura-Whiting

   In order to maintain the latest copyright information for each
libNipper release, this information can be extracted using the API.


Nipper is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY
WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS
FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License v3 (below)
for more details.

Regards, Eric

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