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Re: How Prosecutors Wiretap Wall Street
From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:24:55 -0500
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:42:45 CST, Paul Schmehl said:
communications as well. Under existing law (if you believe that FISA applies) they would have 72 hours maximum to submit the necessary paperwork and obtain the necessary approvals to go before the FISA court and obtain a warrant. Otherwise they would have to cease all surveillance. Meanwhile the terrorists aren't going to sit around waiting for the warrant to be issued to continue their plans.
Actually Paul, you have that bass-ackwards, and it's important. They are allowed to start wiretapping immediately, and then have 72 hours *after they already started listening* to find a FISA court judge and do the paperwork. So yes, the terrorists don't wait for a warrant, and the NSA doesn't need to wait either. So let's see.. You're the NSA. You develop a person of interest. You start wiretapping the crap out of this guy. You now have 72 hours to call the FISA judge you almost certainly have on speed-dial. The request will almost certainly be granted (one source list 18,761 FISA warrants requested from 1978 up to the end of 2004, of which *4* were rejected - but then granted after modification). But even *that* is apparently too onerous. The only reasonable conclusion is that you wanted to wiretap people that even the fairly lenient FISA rules wouldn't get you a warrant. And that's important, because the entire reason the FISA court was created in 1978 in the *first* place was because Nixon got caught using government agencies to illegally spy on political enemies and activists.
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