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Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires
From: T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:04:48 -0400
Here's one to mull over. Is changing someone's mind with relentless logic tantamount to 'breaking and entering' into their mind? -Travis On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Elazar Broad <elazar () hushmail com> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I am inclined to agree, except that you still have issues with the electronic equivalent of breaking and entering. Case in point, there is a good chance you would be arrested and prosecuted if you opened the door to another persons dwelling which did not have a lock installed, and installed a lock and left him/her the key, simply because you entered their property without permission. From a ethics perspective, most people would judge you a good Samaritan, you helped someone else protect their property, however the law doesn't see it that way, primarily because of the fact that, if you don't have permission to be there, chances are you are not wanted there, no matter what your intentions may be. As far as hijacking bot nets, one who steals from a thief may be a thief, but one who stops one in the act is a hero. Bot nets are always "in the act"... On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:00:47 -0400 T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com> wrote:More people should hijack machines and push updates to them if their users are unable or unwilling. First an Analogy: If someone's letting money launders use their bank account to launder money out of INACTION that's still illegal, the same SHOULD be true of people who leave their systems unpatched. These machines are negligently left open to be used in 'nefarious criminal activity.' Plan of Action: It's your civic duty to write worms, hijack botnets and patch machines with or without user consent. This is absolutely moral holding to the various tests (is it self defeating if -everyone- does it etc etc) Just don't get caught doing it. I'm disgusted by the imposition that you'd decry their actions for being illegal when they were clearly moral and represent a net benefit for society. Haven't you heard of this guy called Gandhi who didn't subscribe to the arbitrary superficial morality provided by the word of the law and only acted on what he knew to be moral? It's time to elevate yourself out of your own mind-slime and into 2009. We all still have a long way to go. -Travis On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Castigliola, Angelo <ACastigliola () unum com> wrote:Very unorthodox and unethical. Angelo Castigliola III EISRM - Application Security Architecture Unum acastigliola () unum com Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own personal opinionsand do notrepresent my employer's view in any way. ________________________________ From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf OfJamesMatthews Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:10 AM To: Ivan . Cc: full-disclosure Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] BBC cybercrime probe backfires I agree! Why can't another people hack into computers toshow.... This issuch BS and the BBC should be hit hard by what they did. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Ivan . <ivanhec () gmail com>wrote:The BBC hacked into 22,000 computers as part of aninvestigation intocybercrime but the move quickly backfired, with legal expertsclaimingthe broadcaster broke the law and security gurus saying theexperimentwent too far. http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/security/bbc-cybercrime-probe-backfires/2009/03/13/1236447465056.html_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/-- http://www.astorandblack.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wpwEAQECAAYFAkm6x64ACgkQi04xwClgpZhBnQP9Gyf79ajWHLQWT/qwpcTlXRRo2Aev RPy7fqKDezxbdW6Wj4+NF01jJKnN1hxvzO6y7UJu8nZb/8MjFjQpptX8cDEOXkSS/eL2 6BQk6awvUVE3bDaGnSGtKxzRoB/9QacSWIY2aesUei3SO+nLvDY6yDSTgluY297qecO2 5IDsLvU= =uFrf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Easy-to-use, advanced features, flexible phone systems. Click here for more info. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/BLSrjkqmC5s0cVnImZliAxEhB1b6kUbEPkcGC3SbSb1Sw8sd47WCW5Tgx8k/
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- BBC cybercrime probe backfires Ivan . (Mar 12)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires James Matthews (Mar 13)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Castigliola, Angelo (Mar 13)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires T Biehn (Mar 13)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Castigliola, Angelo (Mar 13)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Ron (Mar 14)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Larry Seltzer (Mar 14)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Ron (Mar 14)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Castigliola, Angelo (Mar 15)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Larry Seltzer (Mar 14)
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- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Elazar Broad (Mar 13)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires T Biehn (Mar 13)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires Elazar Broad (Mar 14)
- Re: BBC cybercrime probe backfires James Matthews (Mar 13)