Re: FW: The war in Palestine

[Some0ne <growbut () gmail com>]

 Avarham -- plz find some who CARE about your propaganda and stop spaming



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avraham Schneider [mailto:avri.schneider () gmail com]
> Sent: 6. januar 2009 10:45
> To: j-f sentier
> Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
>
> if the facts I show you are porpaganda, what would you call your lies?
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:36 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar () gmail com>
> wrote:
> > Avraham, dude  you 're doing the wrong job, you should sell some
> thermo-pump
> > or something
> > you've big skill in selling/propaganda :)
> >
> > 2009/1/6 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider () gmail com>
> > > The basic facts:
> > >
> > >    * Israel has always tried to prevent injuring civilians.  The
> > > number of innocent Palestinian civilians intentionally targeted by
> > > Israel is precisely zero.  The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has been
> > > trying to pinpoint the terrorists themselves, many of whom
> > > unfortunately hide behind civilians as shields, in their houses and
> in
> > > their mosques.
> > >    * Despite the recent violence, Israel continues to facilitate
> > > humanitarian assistance to Gaza. In just the past few days, while
> > > Hamas has continued to fire rockets into Israel, more than 60
> > > truckloads of humanitarian supplies and 105,000 gallons of fuel were
> > > transferred to Gaza. Israel also continues to provide 70 percent of
> > > Gaza's electricity.
> > >    * Since Israel's 2005 full withdrawal from Gaza, Hamas has
> > > indiscriminately fired more than 6,500 rockets at Israeli population
> > > centers; more than 3000 were fired in 2008 alone.
> > >    * Hamas, backed by Iran, has turned Gaza into a daily launching
> > > pad of terror against thousands Israeli civilians for years.
> > >    * Hamas stores its large cache of illegally smuggled arms in, and
> > > launches its daily barrage of missiles from, large civilian
> population
> > > centers placing innocent Palestinian civilians directly in the line
> of
> > > fire.
> > >    * No country in the world would tolerate a situation where its
> > > civilians are terrorized daily by rockets fired from across the
> > > border.
> > >    * If American civilians would have become targets to such terror
> > > attacks from across the border, does anyone doubt the US would
> respond
> > > very forcefully? Viewed from this perspective, Israel has shown
> > > restraint to date.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Ed Carp <erc () pobox com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Larry Seltzer
> <larry () larryseltzer com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Also stolen from the Palestinian people: their domain name.
> > > >
> > > > > Larry Seltzer
> > > > > eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> > > >
> > > > When someone in the press starts regurgitating lies, I've got to
> step
> > > > in and say something.
> > > >
> > > > Lie #1: There was such a country named Palestine, for the
> Palestinian
> > > > people.
> > > > Fact #1: There never was such a country until 1920 - what is today
> > > > referred to as "the Palestinian people" were nomadic tribes that
> made
> > > > their homes in encampments in the deserts of Jordan and Egypt.
> > > > "Palestine" was only enacted as a separate protectorate in 1920 by
> the
> > > > British Mandate in 1920.  The region referred to as "Palestine" in
> > > > historical terms encompassed a much wider area, comprising Jrodan,
> > > > Egypt, and many other Middle Eastern countries.  Until 1920, there
> > > > never were any formal boundaries or a formal country.
> > > > Lie #2: Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians.
> > > > Fact #2: In 1920, the British Mandate formed Palestine for the
> intent
> > > > of "creating a national home for the Jewish prople" (note this
> doesn't
> > > > say anything about Arabs or Palestinians).  In 1947, the UN
> approved
> > > > splitting Palestine into two parts - one Jewish, one Arab.  In
> 1948,
> > > > the Jewish part of Palestine declared its independence, calling
> itself
> > > > "Israel".  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel:
> > > >
> > > > After 1945 the United Kingdom became embroiled in an increasingly
> > > > violent conflict with the Jews.[50] In 1947, the British government
> > > > withdrew from commitment to the Mandate of Palestine, stating it
> was
> > > > unable to arrive at a solution acceptable to both Arabs and
> Jews.[51]
> > > > The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan
> > > > (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29,
> 1947,
> > > > dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish.
> > > > Jerusalem was to be designated an international city  a corpus
> > > > separatum  administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its
> > > > status.[52] The Jewish community accepted the plan,[53] but the
> Arab
> > > > League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.[54] On December 1,
> 1947
> > > > the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a 3-day strike, and Arab
> > > > guerrilla attacks began against Jewish targets. Convinced that
> these
> > > > attacks were merely a prelude to full-scale military confrontations
> > > > with the regular armies of the Arab states, Ben-Gurion elected to
> > > > escalate the military conflict. As such, Haganah embarked on a
> policy
> > > > of "aggressive defense." This strategy was accompanied by economic
> > > > subversion and psychological warfare.[55]
> > > >
> > > > On May 14, 1948, the day before the end of the British Mandate, the
> > > > Jewish Agency proclaimed independence, naming the country Israel.
> The
> > > > following day five Arab countries  Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon
> and
> > > > Iraq invaded Israel, launching the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.[56]
> > > > Morocco, Sudan, Yemen and Saudi Arabia also sent troops to assist
> the
> > > > invaders. After a year of fighting, a ceasefire was declared and
> > > > temporary borders, known as the Green Line, were established.
> Jordan
> > > > annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and
> > > > Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip. Israel was admitted as a
> member
> > > > of the United Nations on May 11, 1949.[57] During the war 711,000
> > > > Arabs, according to UN estimates, or about 80% of the previous Arab
> > > > population, fled the country.[58] The fate of the Palestinian
> refugees
> > > > today is a major point of contention in the Israeli-Palestinian
> > > > conflict.[59][60]
> > > >
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