Re: [inbox] Re: Supporters urge halt to, hacker's, extradition to US

["Kate Gerry" <poof () fansubber com>]

My issue with this is, if he didn't cause any damage, with your example of a
computer system as a door... Would ANYBODY get 60 years for walking up to a
house, testing the door handle,  opening and closing the door, then walking
away?

Personally, I don't find it as criminal. I find it as human curiosity!

Then again... I'm stupid.

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Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [inbox] Re: Supporters urge halt to,
hacker's, extradition to US

Whilst I agree that criminal actions should be met with criminal
consequences, 60 years for breaking (I use the term losely) into
shittily protected systems is absurd. You do less time for murder in
most places.

I wonder, if he was an American citizen, would he have been charged
with treason and executed?

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 7:57 AM, Exibar <exibar () thelair com> wrote:
>  So you guys are saying that if I forget my keys in my car and the door
> unlocked that it's not a crime to steal my car?
>  It's not a crime to NOT lock your house, but it's still a crime to open
> that door and take that big screen tv if you're not the owner...
>
>  Doesn't matter if he willfully caused damage or not, he still caused that
> damage, he's still a criminal.  The details will have to come out in
court,
> and they will.  Either in the US or in the UK, doesn't matter...
>
>  He's a criminal, period... He should be treated as such...
>
>  Exibar
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:24 AM
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> Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] Supporters urge halt to,
> hacker's,extradition to US
>
> I just think someone from the military should be in the dock as
> well!!! This wasn't a one sided security incident, sloppy admins were
> involved in the 'threat to national security' that Gary Mckinnon
> supposedly posed.
>
> The passwords on the systems weren't set, if it wasn't Gary Mckinnon
> it was going to be some other script kid who got in.
>
> I don't know why the military are making a big deal about what
> happened, when ultimately its their I.T security staff who were the
> main culprits of blame.
>
> Accoriding to Gary Mckinnon, there were lots of script kids in the
> systems at the same time as him, they just decided to pick him out of
> the crowd to make an example of the activity that was going on.
>
> This should be a non-issue that should have been delt with internally
> in the military, the I.T security staff blamed and the script kids
> left to go on their humble way.
>
> When the way of intrusion is this lame, and its obvious the blame is
> on the I.T security staff, then I don't think they should waste
> everyone's time herding one of the script kid across the atlantic,
> just to keep America's nation pride in tact.
>
> Geez fucking christ, it was totally the military's fault, there is no
> get out clause.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Kyrian <kyrian () ore org> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Thanks to "Exibar" for the (likely) clarification. No issue in converting
> > from metric, incidentally ;-)
> >
> > I will check out the links you provided this evening and make up my own
> mind.
> >
>
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