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Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF
From: James Lay <jlay () slave-tothe-box net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:07:48 -0700
On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 23:53:45 +0200 Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> wrote:
What we really learn from this all WMF "thingie", is that when Microsoft wants to, it can. Microsoft released the WMF patch ahead of schedule ( http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/181 ) Yep, THEY released the PATCH ahead of schedule. What does that teach us? There are a few options: 1. When Microsoft wants to, it can. There was obviously pressure with this 0day, still — most damage out there from vulnerabilities is done AFTER Microsoft releases the patch and the vulnerability becomes public. 2. Microsoft decided to jump through a few QA tests this time, and release a patch. Why should they be releasing BETA patches? If they do, maybe they should release BETA patches more often, let those who want to - use them. It can probably also shorten the testing period considerably. If this patch is not BETA, but things did just /happen/ to progress more swiftly.. than maybe we should re-visit option #1 above. ... Maybe it’s just that we are used to sluggishness. Perhaps it is time we, as users and clients, started DEMANDING of Microsoft to push things up a notch. ... Put in the necessary resources, and release patches within days of first discovery. I’m willing to live with weeks and months in comparison to the year+ that we have seen sometimes. Naturally some problems take longer to fix, but you get my drift. It’s just like with false positives… as an industry we are now used to them. We don’t treat them as bugs, we treat them as an “acceptable level of”, as I heard Aviram mention a few times. ... The rest is in my blog entry on the subject: http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/182 Gadi.
I didn't learn anything new...just confirmed what I've thought all along...MS's Security sucks (who in their RIGHT MIND would have an image file reader able to execute code???), and that the REAL hero's are people in the security sector like here that created patches and did the work that MS should have been able to do with their team of people. I first started seeing things on wmf on December 29th on sans.org. It took MS 8 DAYS to release this patch. Not acceptable in my book... James _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- what we REALLY learned from WMF Gadi Evron (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF James Lay (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Niek (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Nick FitzGerald (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Niek (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Gadi Evron (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Gadi Evron (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Gadi Evron (Jan 05)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF James Lay (Jan 05)
- Re: Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Devdas Bhagat (Jan 06)
- Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF Dave Korn (Jan 06)