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Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense
From: Steve Friedl <steve () unixwiz net>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:02:57 -0800
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 09:47:17PM +0000, n3td3v wrote:
Security Researcher who reads news stories, studies hacker techniques and trends. Also noticed that online news journalists are using the phrase "Security Researcher" as a new name for "hackers". I am "Security Researcher" in its true form. I don't subscirbe to online media journalists and hackers who have hi-hacked the term security researcher to try and hide their true status as "HACKER".
Is there some reason you chose to post a private communications on a public mailing list beyond trying to reinforce the notion that you have no sense of professionalism? OK, fine: I tried. Juveniles can't be reasoned with.
On 11/13/05, Steve Friedl <steve () unixwiz net> wrote in a private email:I'm not taking any issue with your position in the security industry, but you're going to find that communicating poorly (including "not even checking for grammer") goes a long way to telling people that you don't wish to be taken seriously. Maybe you're a script kiddie, maybe you're a wannabe, maybe you're the real deal: all we can go by is what springs from your fingers, and everything you write says "wannabe". There are varying standards for good writing: a Quick private IM to a friend is at the bottom of the list, but a public, "Hey, I wrote this" is at the top. It's great to write with passion, and all of us go with the flow when it (thankfully) happens, but none of us would release a paper without making sure the writing looked professional. I think that handles and song lyrics are all really juvenile, but you at least make a pretense at trying to be a real participant in the security industry. The single best thing you could do for yourself and your reputation is to vigorously cultivate your communications skills. Steve --- Stephen J Friedl | Security Consultant | UNIX Wizard | +1 714 544-6561 www.unixwiz.net | Tustin, Calif. USA | Microsoft MVP | steve () unixwiz net_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
-- Stephen J Friedl | Security Consultant | UNIX Wizard | +1 714 544-6561 www.unixwiz.net | Tustin, Calif. USA | Microsoft MVP | steve () unixwiz net _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense, (continued)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Dude VanWinkle (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense n3td3v (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense xyberpix (Nov 13)
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- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Rob Thompson (Nov 14)
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- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense pingywon (Nov 14)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Barrie Dempster (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense n3td3v (Nov 13)
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- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense n3td3v (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Steve Friedl (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Barrie Dempster (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense n3td3v (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Tatercrispies (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Barrie Dempster (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Toni Koivunen (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Rob Thompson (Nov 14)
- RE: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Grant Rietze (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense Morning Wood (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense xyberpix (Nov 13)
- Re: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense poo (Nov 14)