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Re: Cisco IOS Shellcode Presentation
From: Micheal Espinola Jr <michealespinola () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:54:36 -0400
persuasion by possible threat of action/retaliation is still persuasion. You aren't forced to do it. Children world-wide are taught right from wrong under this edict. Given Lynn's statements to the press regarding his reasons to cooperate, who's to say the level of coercion applied or required? Your gun violence comparison is a bit over the top. On 7/30/05, Steve Friedl <steve () unixwiz net> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 05:16:15PM -0400, Micheal Espinola Jr wrote:Coercion is simply influence. You can be coerced into a choice, but its still your choice - regardless if people like it or not.This obliterates any distinction between "coercion" and "persuasion", so why bother to have separate words? When you claim that "I have a gun to your head" is the same as "pretty please with sugar on top", you mark yourself as having a stunning poverty of perspective. Steve --- Stephen J Friedl | Security Consultant | UNIX Wizard | +1 714 544-6561 www.unixwiz.net | Tustin, Calif. USA | Microsoft MVP | steve () unixwiz net
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