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Re: Re: McAfee VirusScan vs Metasploit Framework v2.x
From: Bipin Gautam <gautam.bipin () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:43:27 +0545
The sad thing is AV vendor don't have a proper boundary on their products work-scope. Though, giving a clean chit to products like Claria/Gator is a big shame... I still strongly support the move of AV vendors to classify product like nmap, netcat, metasploit as POTENTIAL THREATS; though it's childish to treat those product equv. as hack-tools. What AV vendor currently lack is a proper and CLEAR way to let the users choose the level of security they want. All AV vendors still lack even basics as, proper & basic common standards that are followed by all AV products. BUT guys common… so you want to share the stupid flames of users over your security product with the AV vendors as they have classified it as a BAD-TOOL. Will that make you feel better? It's more of your headache & responsibility to let the users know before download that your security product might be classified by AV as potential threats as, YOU KNOW they may be used for either good or bad purpose. I don't suppose Fyodor will take any responsibility for the action of a malicious user if nmap is used for some malicious purpose??? How AV software would know whether software's like netcat, metasploit or nmap found in a machine is put there by a legitimate user or by a malicious person willing to some further evil deeds. So as a proactive measure they rate the software's as a threat. DEFAULT DENY. Makes sense to me… ( but I agree AV vendors lack proper classification ) hey... User always has the option to ask their AV to ignore the particular file/directory if they own the privilege in the machine anyways. So what's the point in discussing such stuffs??? oOo ya... a proper and CLEAR classification from the vendors side so that the user can easily choose the level of protection he/she wants. But that needs some design changes not just on the AV signatures. Let's hope we'll see those on some upcoming version.
Would you yank out Canvas, and Core Impact products as well? oh, wait... there probably isn't a sig for those so you wouldn't know.
Is that just I or everyone is hearing the whispering words; Partiality… shortsightedness…………… best regards, -Bipin Gautam
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