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Re: IT security professionals in demand in 2006
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" <wilder_jeff () msn com>
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:52:24 -0700
I'll second that -Jeff Wilder CISSP,CCE,C/EH -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GIT/CM/CS/O d- s:+ a C+++ UH++ P L++ E- w-- N+++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE- Y++ PGP++ t+ 5- X-- R* tv b++ DI++ D++ G e* h--- r- y+++* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
From: InfoSecBOFH <infosecbofh () gmail com> To: sk <sk () groundzero-security com> CC: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] IT security professionals in demand in 2006 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:23:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from lists.grok.org.uk ([195.184.125.51]) by mc9-f12.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:24:06 -0800 Received: from lists.grok.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1])by lists.grok.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02441407;Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:23:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.204])by lists.grok.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B87266for <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>;Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:23:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so67779wxcfor <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>;Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.65.17 with SMTP id n17mr926990wxa;Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:23:24 -0800 (PST)Received: by 10.70.60.14 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jE2PiQ7BFXEAtaW1Env+daBcE9TFCc5BhI= X-Original-To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Delivered-To: full-disclosure () lists grok org ukDomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com;h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references;b=Ff3SbACkUKYxR6NBrF3JkVCmfhcP46CeHTYG3k5JzfxGGB4Y1z5mPYNyMKY02BDnrK2pQHsURU7tHv+jVNuuc9dFfD1GaMWRu9q1lc6NbuVrZLvbwf3FNX+s2tFkHTXZeooy/BF4EKg9v7Jgd3V1JUaEHvmP5YxCEdfFxHzO4Mk= References: <6450e99d0512041801p4adf24bclb8deaeefd203fa9a () mail gmail com><00bc01c5f945$fc232af0$0100a8c0@nuclearwinter>X-BeenThere: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: listList-Id: An unmoderated mailing list for the discussion of security issues<full-disclosure.lists.grok.org.uk> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.grok.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/full-disclosure>, <mailto:full-disclosure-request () lists grok org uk?subject=unsubscribe>List-Archive: <http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure> List-Post: <mailto:full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> List-Help: <mailto:full-disclosure-request () lists grok org uk?subject=help>List-Subscribe: <https://lists.grok.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/full-disclosure>, <mailto:full-disclosure-request () lists grok org uk?subject=subscribe>Errors-To: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk Return-Path: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org ukX-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2005 17:24:08.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD7A4AD0:01C5FA89]You are confusing terms here I think. VUlnerability Assessment = scanner toolsPen-Test = actual skill. At least thats how those consultants with a clue should be selling it. A Vuln Assessment has value, but can be done by anyone. A Pen-Test, takes a lot more time, the value is aguable, and only the skilled can actually do them. On 12/4/05, sk <sk () groundzero-security com> wrote: > CISSP is bullshit. as eeye said 99% of the security consultants do their > pen-tests with automated tools which is pathetic in my opinion. > if you cant write exploits, you are no professional, more like a steam > blower. how can someone be professional when he doesnt > even understand how an exploit works in deep? what if there are custom > scripts or exotic daemons installed? without beeing able to audit> code and understand how certain bugs are beeing exploited, how can someone> think he got enough clue to do a professional security audit? > its just a rip off of the customers as simple as that. or would you pay > someone to run an automated tool against your host, sit back and wait > till a nice pdf statistic is generated so he got something to present to > you? of course you wouldnt. in the 90s the people still had to learn on> their own and all the mainstream hackers who speak at your conventions didnt> learn their knowledge from stupid class rooms.> everyone who thinks hes a security professional or even a hacker after he> made some certs, is just living in a dream world.> then again the media plays well with the steam blowers so they can make a> nice living.. > sorry i just had to say that since its going on my nerves how all these > people suddenly think their stupid certs make em special, but then if > it comes to knowledge everyone is cluless... > > -sk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ivan ." <ivanhec () gmail com> > To: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:01 AM > Subject: [Full-disclosure] IT security professionals in demand in 2006 > > > > http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;923889191;fp;16;fpid;0 > > _______________________________________________ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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