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Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove
From: Leif Ericksen <leife () dls net>
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:32:38 -0600
As was stated in previous post Echelon is old news, even Carnivore was supposedly dumped for newer technology. As I stated in a previous example the government can come in and request the keys if they need it. If that story that my prof told the class in 1988 was true. Now that story supposedly took place a few years before that class. so lets say that happened in 1982-198 is my best guess. The key is monitoring is being done. AS for the encryption. there are some that would argue that any STRONG encryption that is allowed to exist in the US ( PGP and the likes) has been modified by the NSA so that they have a generic key that will open any door. Otherwise the creator of such encryption will disappear and never comeback. IS this true or is this just a silly story. I do not know I have not invented an encryption system. I will let you know when I do if I am forced by the government to give a cracking method. ;) If the stories of the government having a back door key are true then I would be willing to bet that any technologically advance country would subscribe to the same plan to protect their own interests. Another thing to think about is just how many PRIMARY traffic points do we have that a majority of the traffic goes through. Lets see in the US we have MEA_EAT, MAE-WEST, MAE-CENTRAL, as well as others. (what were the locations... Hendron, VA, Chicago, IL, LA, CA, Dalas, or was it Huston TX. was there not near Central Florida?) Lets look at the UFO thought here for a moment. The governments deny that they exist so people really think and believe that they do exist. So much so that some are willing to put their lives at risk to break through the Govs defenses to prove that they know Aliens do exist. Well the harder we try to hide our data from the government the more they are going to think that you are an entity that needs to be taken down as a threat to the government be the government US, UK, Sweden, Norway, China, Japan, N/S Korea, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, India, Africa. and down under. Yes, I missed just a few I am to lazy to list all of them. Now making complaints and noise about the problem is not going to do anything abut it. IF you know the problem exists and you have an answer start fighting in it a good way. Run for office on a platform to stop government spying. If it is a national platform in the US I am willing to give you my vote. I hope you will give me yours.. All the emails they can not do that is just noise white noise at that. Until you start running for an office or even write your congress folks letting them know how pissed off you are and that they are not going to get your vote they do not care. What I want to know is how do I start running for office in the US? I would not mind becoming part of the government so that I could help form a new direction that is less invasive to the peoples privacy. I am not a Yale, or Harvard grad I do not belong to Skull and bones, or the Masons, or the Lions, or even the Illuminati so how do I get in on a national ticket? -- Leif Ericksen PS... This may seem contrary to some of my older posts... But I am putting more into it now. Rather than just stop crying foul since nobody asked what should I do.. They said I missed the point but in reality they missed the point. They point is there is nothing that can be done by crying about it. It takes action, and using encryption will not do it if you are of the school that believes the government(s) have a back door key. Action is required but crying about it is going to do nothing again it is white noise. Become A Klaxon, and write to your government officials with a strong voice, or try to become one of the government officials. for those of us in the US at least at present if we disagree with our elected leaders we can not be shot, but I am sure that day is coming if we stay on our current glide path. On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 03:04 -0200, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 10:11:45PM -0600, Leif Ericksen wrote:Really if we have nothing to hide we should not fear them listening to us. Now if they come in and start forcing a special mark or code word or something special in order to live or buy or sell anything then it is time to revolt.Now, that is an interesting view of someone who really is not paying attention. What would you qualify as "something to hide" ? How about my banking account data ? How about the trade secrets of my company ? Well, how can I be sure they are not giving or selling this data to someone else, maybe one of the corporations that are financing political campains ? Would you mind of other governments started listening to your conversation ? What about other governments listening to conversations from USA corporations ? Just because people has something to hide that doesn't mean they are terrorists, doesn't mean they are a threat to the USA, and doesn't mean some half-brain USA President can authorize their comunications monitored. - -- Rodrigo Barbosa <rodrigob () suespammers org> "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur" "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDsMtQpdyWzQ5b5ckRAglaAKCV4zfib1mXOzgxGMwJAPrVFWZmBgCePrMf Il5VDyGO2/D9B1qKqgYeXcc= =LpVf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Current thread:
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove, (continued)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Rodrigo Barbosa (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Stan Bubrouski (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove and other tales Steve Kudlak (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove and other tales Leif Ericksen (Dec 29)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Geo. (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Rodrigo Barbosa (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Joshua Levitsky (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Steve Kudlak (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove GroundZero Security (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Leif Ericksen (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Stan Bubrouski (Dec 28)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove Frank Knobbe (Dec 26)
- Re: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove coderman (Dec 26)