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Re: Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal.
From: Alen Capalik <wiretap () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:55:23 -0700
Ok, this will be my last post on this subject. It's getting borring, and I have work to do. My point is that, as in real life, we need security on the Internet because of the way people choose to behave. I, you and most others choose to behive in a "socially excepted" manner, which is to say we choose not to brake rules (or if you want to call them laws, even thou I get scared when I hear any laws of any countery being applied to Internet). However, other people (script kiddies, kids with way too much time, and crackers) choose to brake into our computers. Complaining about it on the Full-Disclosure list won't change that, and applying some stupid laws to the Internet because some kid decided to use a root kit he downloaded from the Internet while his mama was at work is just plain DUMB. Arguments like this guy's from Citigroup, is what makes governments consider regulating the Internet. I OPPOSE REGULATION OF THE INTERNET. I get enough regulation on TV and Radio. Just face it and get over it, there is going to be people who want to get into your computers, as well as people who want to get into your house. It's the nature of a human being to be curious, and if you give her/him an excuse, like wide open systems and networks, it's going to happen. If I leave a key on my house door, eventually somebody is going to want to come in and look around. What scares me is that this guy from Citigroup is whining about this, and if he has time whining about this, how much so called "UNIX Security Consultation" is he doing to protect our bank accounts from inevetable... Thank you for listening... On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:01:35 -0400, Mary Landesman <mlande () bellsouth net> wrote:
I have to laugh, since I had the same thought as you! Except I interpreted the childish behavior as coming from the side you seem to be defending. :-) Perception is everything. IMO, arguing that our presence on the Internet is voluntary and that it somehow excuses bad behavior is simply ridiculous. Heck, our presence in our homes, in our cars, in our jobs is all voluntary. Using that argument, then, should we just all have a greedy free for all? And I don't agree with the rather cynical outlook of one poster who claims we are somehow wired to be bad and that only negative consequences change it. Sounds rather like a handly rationalization to me. Stating that the Internet is somehow not real life is another head-scratcher. It's people driven, it's a part of our lives, our careers, our education. According to the dictionary, a society is "A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture." Sounds much like the Internet to me. Would you argue that a society is not part of real life and thus should be exempt from common courtesies, morals, and ethics? -- Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Smith" <stfunub () gmail com> To: "Banta, Will" <will.banta () broadwing com> Cc: "morning_wood" <se_cur_ity () hotmail com>; <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal. Am i the only one concerned at the childish behavious on these mailing lists? I've not been reading for so long, but in my second or third email to these lists i've been told that someone 'doesn't care' about me and my 'weak brain'. And now this 'OK. You're wrong.' ? Is this neccesary? I beleive Morning_Wood raises some good points. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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