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Re: irc over ssl
From: Denis Solaro <dsolaro () freenet de>
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:06:14 +0200
On Tue, 25 May 2004 09:59:09 +0100 "Dave Howe" <DaveHowe () cmn sharp-uk co uk> wrote:
Hmm.. so the company is hiring them as a "unix/cisco tech weenie" and then forcing them to use Windows?*Sigh* you have given a name to my Ongoing Horror. I am *forced* to use MS Office - Word, Excel and Outlook - on Windows. My job dutes are to look after the Solaris, HPUX, Compaq Tru64 and Cisco kit - but still, my workstation is and must remain Spawn Of Microsoft.
You are not the only one who seems to be under that regime.. The thing I do not understand is: What do they expect you to do you X Windows work with then? In fact in one place I have deployed Linux just because it was cheaper than a dedicated X windows terminal (at least I was lucky to) but it sure did cost less than buying an unix HP or Sun box or a tektronix box. With it I did the usual SAM on Hp or Smit under AIX remote job and had the screen full of remote xsysinfo or top sessions. There is nothing more needed than that in fact, especially in WANs where you can remotely do sysadmining for an office halfway around the world. Ah, SAM was fun. I know there are X windows emulation products for MS Windows, but these are horrible, you can't compile things for them and they cost more than a linux CD rom. On top of this the Linux thingy comes with REAL X11, real snmp, real daemons, real wu-ftp... Oh and what about those amazingly expensive packages under windows that do... SYSLOG viewing! Wow! Syslog... now that must be worth millions! No, Zillions! Some place I worked fork some pretty insane money for one syslog viewer that was sold as "a complete security solution"... the type that you can replace with a 5 lines perl script. :-) Yep.. I know management can suck. And X11 did bother a lot of people with it's remote connection capabilities when VNC was not around... like 10 years ago. Cause you didn't have to rush down to the computer room when something needed to be set, like my NT certified colleague had to :-) The problem is that "he looked like he did some work" since he went down to the room in a rush, while you don't since you were doing the same job from your desk. I guess Unix or VMS just were too ahead of their time compared to the rest of the management practices. That is why some questions I sometimes dare ask in interviews are: "So what machine will be on the desktop? What OS? And why?" if the answer is windows, I just know that it's one of those places that doesn't really have it's priorities set right and I dare the quit or double game. It works most times though. -- Denis Solaro -- denis.solaro () wanadoo fr _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: irc over ssl, (continued)
- Re: irc over ssl Maarten (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Dave Howe (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Denis Solaro (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Ron DuFresne (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Denis Solaro (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Mortis (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl adam (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Valdis . Kletnieks (May 24)
- RE: irc over ssl Lionel Hendricks (May 24)
- RE: irc over ssl Ron DuFresne (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Dave Howe (May 25)
- Re: irc over ssl Denis Solaro (May 25)
- Re: irc over ssl Dave Howe (May 25)
- Re: irc over ssl Valdis . Kletnieks (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Ron DuFresne (May 25)
- Re: irc over ssl Ron DuFresne (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Denis Solaro (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Denis Solaro (May 24)
- Re: irc over ssl Ron DuFresne (May 24)