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[Full-Disclosure] Re: Full-disclosure] Anti-MS drivel
From: martin f krafft <madduck () madduck net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:02:04 +0100
[flame-bait ahead] also sprach Helmut Hauser <helmut_hauser () hotmail com> [2004.01.23.2154 +0100]:
Sometimes it?s to blame us administrators for not installing patches - slammer and blaster patches were released way BEFORE the outbreak(s) occured but most admins did not patch, simply they dont?t even know that there is a patch available ! Could you blame Microsoft on that ? Simply no, cause as admin I have to know about patches/releases, I have to be on the MS security mailinglist and so on.
when i patch a windows system, i encounter downtime and possibly a whole set of new problems. been there many times. when there is a security hazard in linux, i can fix it over ssh from a beach in malibu in 98% of the cases, requiring a restart of a single service.
e.g. I had to help out one large organisation (the famous infected notebook thingy) to patch the whole IT, what a nightshift ... *nix admins patch regulary but some (so called) windows admins) don?t - cause they did not realize that there is something to patch ...
the source of this difference is deeper: (a) UNIX admins know computers and networks; windows admins know where the control panel is. (b) unix is modular; windoze is monolithic. flames -> /dev/null
I recommend the MS SUS server, it?s free, you can test patches before approving them and it is inexpensive compared to SMS
i recommend linux. it's free and it works.
- Change the behavior of XP Home (everyone is admin) - create an own install account with warning background - SuSE like with bombs
windows won't properly operate in all cases without admin rights, unless you spend hours tweaking it. remember: NT's help and print system did not work if you made c:\winnt read-only to everyone.
- Software vendors - change your installers - most games run only as admin in WinXP ...
little they can do with a flawed operating system. while in unix, security is being worked into the core, in the windoze world, security is a band aid you shuff on top of the other 100 you already stuck on. -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:" net@madduck invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! i'm currently out trying to find myself. If I should get back before i return, please keep me here.
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