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Re[4]: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause
From: Joris De Donder <fulld-j () digitaldefense be>
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:55:21 +0100
Conclusion: The purely technical solution (with obvious commercial intentions) proposed by personalfirewallday.org will lead to a false sense of security, resulting in more insecure systems. User Education is an essential part of the solution.I must say that I've been absolutely amazed by the negative reactions to this. You complain that what "annie" needs is education. The personalfirewallday.org site does *precisely* that.
No, it does not. It claims that Annie will only be safe if she installs a certain product.
Have any of the people criticizing the effort even bothered to go look at the site?
Have any of the people criticizing the pro-security-pro-awareness-but-anti-snakeoil-people even bothered to read what these people are saying?
I found: 1) A vision statement
I found FUD: "Your connection to the Internet is a two-way street: you can venture forth onto the Internet, but many criminals can follow that same connection right into your computer and do anything they want with it--unless you have a personal firewall."
3) Explanations of personal firewalls, antivirus protection and OS updating and links to resources for each
I found: "The best personal firewalls not only keep threats from getting on your computer, but they also keep threats already on your PC from getting out." Compromised == compromised! See my other post.
Everything you claim "annie" needs is right there on that one website. And you think that's a *bad* thing?
The website doesn't tell Annie that her own behavior, the way she uses her desktop computer, is important. In fact, the website does the opposite, it tells Annie that if she applies a certain technical solution, her behavior doesn't matter.
I realize it is possible to be so blinded by hatred that you can't even think logically, but I didn't realize how many in this industry were blind.
Yes, someone doesn't agree with a Microsoft sponsored website so he has got to be a blind Microsoft hating penguin head... Joris _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Christopher Downs (Jan 15)
- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Exibar (Jan 16)
- Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Joris De Donder (Jan 15)
- Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause madsaxon (Jan 14)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Schmehl, Paul L (Jan 15)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Schmehl, Paul L (Jan 15)
- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause hggdh (Jan 15)
- Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Mike Shaw (Jan 15)
- January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause tlarholm (Jan 15)
- RE: Re[2]: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Schmehl, Paul L (Jan 15)
- Re[4]: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Joris De Donder (Jan 16)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause James Patterson Wicks (Jan 15)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Schmehl, Paul L (Jan 15)
- Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Brandon Butterworth (Jan 15)
- Re: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Gary Flynn (Jan 15)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Richard M. Smith (Jan 15)
- January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause tlarholm (Jan 15)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause James Patterson Wicks (Jan 15)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause James Patterson Wicks (Jan 15)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause Nicob (Jan 16)
- RE: Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the cause James Patterson Wicks (Jan 16)
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