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Re: [ISN] Technology Firm With Ties to Microsoft Fires Executive Over Criticism


From: Paul Robichaux <paul () robichaux net>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:41:03 -0400

I erred in saying that Geer represented himself, or the report, as speaking
for @stake. 

There's a lot more that I'm tempted to say, but I think Roberta Bragg said
it better in her column yesterday. Rather than muddle her arguments, I refer
interested readers to http://mcpmag.com/security; the column's not posted
there yet but should be shortly.

Cheers,
-Paul

From: InfoSec News <isn () c4i org>
Reply-To: InfoSec News <isn () c4i org>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:18:54 -0500 (CDT)
To: isn () attrition org
Subject: Re: [ISN] Technology Firm With Ties to Microsoft Fires Executive Over
Criticism 

Forwarded from: Jason Coombs <jasonc () science org>
Cc: paul () robichaux net;, Dan_Verton () computerworld com;,
 rforno () infowarrior org;, full-disclosure () lists netsys com

InfoSec News wrote:
Forwarded from: Paul Robichaux <paul () robichaux net>
1. Geer claimed to be speaking for @stake. He wasn't.

I do hope that all of you actually read the report before forming any
opinions about it, the people who wrote it, or the manner in which
those people portrayed themselves as authors of it. It is simply
impossible to interpret Geer's role in authoring this report as
anything close to "speaking for @Stake" -- it was clearly the
"speaking" part that got him canned, and one need not be paranoid in
order to see Microsoft's direct or indirect influence in the growing
"punishment for speech" phenomenon within the United States. @Stake's
own political bias in advancing the so-called "responsible disclosure"
process is a crucial element of criminalizing speech... We can't put
speakers in prison unless we can prove that they violated the rules
with their speech, so @Stake is busy trying to define the rules.

The whole business makes me feel sick. What we really need is freedom,
and the ability to defend ourselves adequately from anyone who might
choose to exercise theirs in a way that doesn't conform to other
people's arbitrary definition of "responsible". There was a time in
the past when there was little doubt that we had freedom.

Freedom must be one of the costs of monopoly.

CyberInsecurity: The Cost of Monopoly
How the Dominance of Microsoft's Products Poses a Risk to Security
http://www.ccianet.org/papers/cyberinsecurity.pdf

Sincerely,

Jason Coombs
jasonc () science org



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